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This is a great thread, with a lot to ponder.

I remember how people responded to Suskind's article; it seemed to confirm the image of the neo-conservative as a sort of right-wing Trotskyite, exporting a vision of free-market revolution and damn all else.  But there is a sense in which the statement itself is right.  (The scary thing is not how creative imagination is trumpeted but how "reality" is dismissed.)  

I'm reminded of something Bruno Latour wrote about science: that it is because facts don't speak for themselves that facts need the scientist, who acts as the facts' spokesperson, lawyer, mouthpiece.  And also of a line from Barbara Herrnstein Smith: that in the battle between belief and evidence, "belief is no pushover."  

by kellogg (kellogg[dot]david[at]gmail[dot]com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 07:20:57 PM EST
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I love those quotes and have never heard either of them!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 08:49:23 PM EST
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The Latour is from, I think Science in Action (though it might be Laboratory Life).   The Smith quote is from Belief and Resistance, the title essay/chapter.  
by kellogg (kellogg[dot]david[at]gmail[dot]com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 09:57:38 AM EST
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I was just listening to a radio program on the teaching of Israel's history in Israel. According to the reporter, there is hardly a mention of the Palestinians in any school books.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 05:21:21 AM EST
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That's interesting.  In the States, we hear a lot from pro-Israel sources about the biases of Palestinian textbooks, but the subject of Israeli textbooks never comes up.  That's American political discourse for you.
by kellogg (kellogg[dot]david[at]gmail[dot]com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 09:55:34 AM EST
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I think the responses was also very related to Kairos. The neo-conservatives had just branded their opponents "reality-based", and the leftwing blogosphere used this to the maximum.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 08:34:17 PM EST
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