Display:
So far, it is easier for me to perceive "Kairos" as soemthing independent of rhetorics. Is this a universal idea of seizing an opportunity, or something more specific, like:

  1. Seizing opportunity in a debate?
  2. Seizing an opprotunity for your personal gain (but possbily at great expense for others)?
  3. Seizing a collective opportunity?
  4. Is this cooperative or confrontational opportunity?
  5. Anticipating adverse change and "seizing" opprotunity to counteract it?

Your examples suggest objectively problematic situations, yet perceived lightly or "egoistically" so far. What is Kairos supposed to do here? Are these generally the only situations for Kairos?

For the concrete examples, the problem is that the frame of public perception is very inadequate to probably objective risks or problems. How to force inadequate public frame to change? Is the only option to wait for a moment when the problems are very obvious? How can Cassandras do a better job?

If so, Winston Churchil must be a good example. He was ridiculled for anti-fascist concerns for many years, until the Nazi danger was plain obvious. He was then the obvious choice for leadership. And yeah, Churchil's rhetorics was outstanding.

by das monde on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 02:29:10 AM EST
"Carpe diem" is the first phrase that comes to mind.

The "diem" being what Pirsig calls "the cutting edge of Reality".

I am with Das Monde here, in that I see kairos as independent of Rhetoric.

It is the fleeting moment at which we ask our questions of Reality, answer them intuitively by making "Value Judgments", and describe our answers using Rhetoric.

As J A Wheeler said

Reality is defined by the questions you put to it


"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 03:18:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Having addressed kairos generally I think to address your specific questions we are at a point at which we must create a Rhetoric to address an existential crisis, and not on purely European terms, but upon global terms.

The difference between approaches was brought home forcibly to me by my current "Technocracy" Diary and observation of the huge difference between the approaches of the US - "Technocracy Incorporated" - and the European - "Network of European Technocrats".

Technocracy being a 1920's and 30's approach to Reality.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 03:30:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It's all of those things.  What I was hoping to stress it that political discourse almost always focuses on the obvious but needn't.  

A good example of a creative seizing of kairos is Gandhi's salt march of 1930.  A protest of this sort was, I think, quite literally unimaginable to the British authorities.  Its success came in part from this bold visionary stroke, partly from the way others spontaneously joined the march.  In some very narrow sense it was a response to a tax on salt, yes.  But it worked because it was more than a response.  In creating a new reality of protest, the salt march refigured so many things: salt, taxes, colonialism, labor, gender (gathering salt was generally considered women's work), and so forth.  (I'm relying, by the way, on my dim memory of a book I read about twenty years ago -- The Intimate Enemy by Ashis Nandy.)

by kellogg (kellogg[dot]david[at]gmail[dot]com) on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 11:30:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ho!  I just lost a comment about forcing Gordon Brown to take magic mushrooms in public and then comment on War, Economics, Environment, Transport, Housing...

But I forgot education, so, well...

Seriously, though, I was thinking of thesis-antithesis-synthesis.

A less salubrious (for me) example of kairos would be the UK fuel protests.  Unexpected; used novel means; caught the national mood (of some--enough: those who felt they were being marginalised/ignored)...govt. frightened of a repeat; same thing threatened over other car issues: the car driver fought back!

Boo!

They used kairos.

Double boo!

My examples of possible kairos moments are two:

  1. The rise of international trades union (hat tip to afew for the 1 May refs in the news today): they could suddenly change a LOT of things, if they can get organised...across the globe

  2. The middle classes (the intelligent middle classes) making the move to the countryside, spending their cash on renewables (and shotguns?); reading up on perma-culture; growing crops to bio-fuel their 4x4s...running slowly (just a quick walk!) from the cities, back to the land...the unexpected consequence of the move to "green"...  Hunkering in for the possible collapse (but keeping a townhouse in central...Big Town...for visits etc...coz it's best to keep your options open...)

Sorry, your Ghandi example made me see a downside...I imagine there are lots of unhealthy (to my mind) kairos moments happening between members of far-right organisations as I type.

So...synthesis!  And, yes, mushrooms!  Mushrooms are good for kairos moments...

And my post is bent sideways...ach....!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 12:18:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Far-right moments, you bet.  Every rhetorical tool is available to all sides, if they can make use of them.  
by kellogg (kellogg[dot]david[at]gmail[dot]com) on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 01:11:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Display:
Login
. Make a new account
. Reset password
Occasional Series