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Do you have a source for the 25 million number? The Wiki article on the London commuter belt says 13,945,000, while its source says all of Southeast England is 18,387,000 people. For Paris, the comparable number is 11,100,523 (for Île-de-France in 2001).

At any rate, the Paris mass transit system carries much more passengers than London's. In 2005, London had 971 million Tube, 53 million DLR and 503 million rail passengers. In the same year, Paris had 1,372.7 million Métro passengers, 444.5 million RER passengers on the part of the network run by Paris transport authority RATP, and a further 633 million on the rest or RER and suburban lines run by Transilien, SNCF's Île-de-France rapid transit branch.

I note the central element of the RER network are three long tunnels across the city.

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by DoDo on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 11:08:10 AM EST
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...on the other hand, buses are 1816 million in London vs. c. 991,4 million for RATP in Paris. I'm not sure these figures are that comparable, though.

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by DoDo on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 11:16:15 AM EST
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RATP is not the only bus carrier in the Paris metro area. It only handles bus in Paris itself and the inner suburbs, whereas there are other carriers for the outer suburbs. It probably doesn't make up for a billion trips, though.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 04:26:35 PM EST
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I suspect Transport of London isn't the only bus carrier in the London commuter area, either, though it may operate on a larger part of this territory than the part of I-de-F RATP operates in.

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by DoDo on Wed Apr 11th, 2007 at 05:20:07 AM EST
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I think she's speaking of the London economic region, in general, which would include parts of the East, South and perhaps a bit of the Midlands.  I could be wrong, but I've read the 25m figure before.  It's the joy of drawing lines to decide whether an area falls into "Greater London" or "Greater New York" or whatever other city you like.  I suppose "Greater Miami" is in the tens of millions if we draw the line out to Charleston.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 11:45:10 AM EST
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Well, the most relevant for the issue debated is just the commuter area. We could include ever wider regions around Paris, too. (Especially now that some people commute on the TGV from as far away as Marseille...)

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by DoDo on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 01:54:49 PM EST
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