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The difference is in how one faces those challenges. Paris built a RER network with five trunk lines, and bought innumerable double-deck trains. London's Crossrail project is still on the drawing board.

What's the point of crossrail when the quite extensive commuter rail network (See the London Connections map - PDF) in London is left to decay? Wouldn't it be wort it upgrading some of the rail lines within Greater London, and improving the trainsets?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2007 at 06:13:51 AM EST
But the UK transport system has fewer areas as neglected as, say, outer urban rail lines north of Paris, with trains well over 40 years old.

Like some of the neglected London Connections lines I mention above.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2007 at 06:16:45 AM EST
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It is also a way to renew the rest of the commuter connections. When you are buying new trains, all trains trickle down and the worst train get dumped :)

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2007 at 08:02:31 AM EST
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Not if you buy new trains for a new line.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2007 at 08:18:34 AM EST
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The concept of French RER is that you link two or moreexisting lines (coming from opposite side of the city) by an underground tunnel... Not really creating new lines. Usually the places which you want to connect crossrail to already have lines.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2007 at 08:39:37 AM EST
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Crossrail is a new line, with its own new tunnel, I believe.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2007 at 09:01:03 AM EST
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The tunnel will be new, but it is reausing existing lines in the suburbs :

A pdf map

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Apr 19th, 2007 at 10:24:33 AM EST
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Precisely. Crossrail was inspired by the RER.

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by DoDo on Fri Apr 20th, 2007 at 04:02:58 AM EST
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The Crossrail project is about renovating lines in Greater London, not just a new tunnel. (Same for the East London line.)

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by DoDo on Fri Apr 20th, 2007 at 04:01:55 AM EST
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