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Can someone tell me when the extreme right decided that May Day was their day? We had four demonstrations in Sofia today...and one was the extreme right. And I saw that Moscow had the same thing.

Very strange disconnect somewhere. I continue to be amazed at the extent of cognitive dissonance that the human mind is able to bear.

by gradinski chai on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 01:36:12 PM EST
Only a person not having a slightest idea about the political situation in modern Russia can find any traces of the extreme right in Moscow these days. Even the moderate right Chubais's party Soyuz Pravyh Syl (Union of Right Forces) tried to play on the leftie side (social justice for everybody etc) on 2007 regional elections and, accordingly, was spanked for that by commies, Zhirinovsky, pro-governmental parties, by everybody.

Festinger's theory may look convincing in that ancient boring example with smokers' behaviour but hardly looks so attractive when one tries to apply it to much more complicated multi-dimensional political situation.

by lana on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 03:57:50 PM EST
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Only a person not having a slightest idea about the political situation in modern Russia can find any traces of the extreme right in Moscow these days.

You mean, someone with a clue about the political situation in modern Russia would not look around in Moscow but visit you in St. Petersburg? Strange city rivalry...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 03:16:28 AM EST
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lana, I see you troll-rated afew's reply to gradinski chai above for no apparent reason.

It's one thing when you attack people (including those who just lost a friend) or address individuals only via crude national typologies; ratings and critical or mocking comments take care for that. (Though it would be nicer if instead you'd write diaries about the St. Petersburg metro, or the WWII siege of the city, or your bad experiences when you lived in the UK, or you just focused your ire on me.) It's another thing when you troll-rate neither inflammatory, nor content-less, nor too personal comments apparently just in spite, and without a preceding warning -- that calls for some frontpager intervention, e.g. undoing your ratings.

But since you have done this repeatedly, pursuant to our policy, in the name of the front-pager team (who will express approval of this comment via ratings), I must warn you to stop abusing the ratings system.

For emphasis, your ratings are undone and you won't be able to rate for one week. If you can give a good explanation, or say this last troll-rating was by mistake, the last could be undone.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 10:39:48 AM EST
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Well,

gradinski posted at 01.36.12 PM

my post appeared at 03.57.50 PM

afew's           at 04.13.25 PM

And can't you guess what happened next? And what happens often or maybe every time when two or more responses appear at almost the same time? Afew's post appeared after mine, not gradinski's so I guessed it was directed at my post in a stupid trollish way. Otherwise  i wouldn't waste my time on him. First fix that time bug on here and then blame people.

Moreover, being one of the ET goblins (or gnomes? can't remember) afew was definitely well aware of this bug and probably wouldn't have posted anything (why wait for 3 hrs to reply to gradinski's post especially if you're working as a goblin/gnome and have to be on here for many hours?) if it wasn't for my post - I've yet to see any brit who'd missed an opportunity to wind somebody up if they could've got away with it.

I so rarely use the right to rate anybody on here so can't feel myself offended, sorry for disappointing you and t'other goblins/gnomes.

by lana on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 03:44:40 PM EST
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Hi lana.  You and I have never "met" on this site, so I'd like to say a couple things as a mere observer.

First, as to the comment "bug," I think what you're referring to is some comments moving above others.  This is a software feature that moves higher rated comments closer to the top.  If afew had wanted to reply to you, he would've attached his comment to yours.  

Whether you commented first doesn't matter in any case -- troll-ratings are not to be used merely for disagreement or because you're irritated.

Also, just to clear up any false impressions -- the front-pagers on this site do not "have" to be here for hours.  There are no set times.  We're all just people who have outside lives and write here when we can.

I can only speak for myself, but the reason I'm here is to communicate with other people -- to hear their views and maybe be able to communicate some of mine.  From what I can tell, you have a viewpoint that's different from anyone else's on this board.  It's a view I'd very much like to hear and I think it would be interesting to discuss things with you and get your take on issues.

Unfortunately, your anger and hostility get in the way of anything you're saying.  Statements like this:  "I've yet to see any brit who'd missed an opportunity to wind somebody up if they could've got away with it."  don't serve any purpose other than to hurt.  

This is exactly the kind of thing the ratings were made to deal with and I was tempted to downrate you for this.  Instead, I'm making this attempt to talk with you.  Are you here to communicate, perhaps even inform?  or simply to insult people and be disruptive?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 05:47:55 PM EST
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Statements like this:  "I've yet to see any brit who'd missed an opportunity to wind somebody up if they could've got away with it."  don't serve any purpose other than to hurt.

This appears to be a personal vendetta  for some bad stuff experienced when she lived in the UK, projected against all British people. Some diaries about the actual violators might be interesting, but innuendo seems to get in the way.

Are you here to communicate, perhaps even inform?  or simply to insult people and be disruptive?

She believes she wants to confront us with our hypocrisy, I think she said once.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 06:00:52 PM EST
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the reason I'm here is to communicate with other people -- to hear their views and maybe be able to communicate some of mine

There are the sites where Russian people go and communicate with others. The further the sites are from discussing politics (the professional sites dedicated to gardening, photography or even such  interesting issues as long-lasting potentiation of synaptic transmission in the dentate area of the anaesthetised rabbit following stimulation of the performant path), the more probable you will find the Russian communicating with others and expressing their views.

If a site is more opened for general public, even if discussing such innocent things as travelling abroad, any Russian will inevitably face lots of sarcastic at the best but usually totally ignorant and nasty remarks re Russian imperial past (which is surprise, surprise! doesn't look so awful for us) or drinking/eating habits or the way the poorest of our elderly look (endless stories about Russian teethless babushkas) or the poorest of our young behave (numerous stories with Russian prostitutes) and so on. The majority of this mockery is poured on the Internet sites by native English speakers, usually British. Ask them why, probably because they are got used to expressing their views on any matter, not thinking in the slightest about any knowledge, just for the sake of showing up and following long (at least since mid-19th century) hostility towards Russian Empire/USSR/Russian Federation etc.

Besides, almost all the articles/bits of news about Russia you read in your press show only one, very negative side. Same here, on this site. Russia is a huge country in the rather painful transformational period situated in many of the worst climatic regions in the world so, of course, statistically speaking, every day something bad just has to happen here. Every day this bad piece of news (gas explosion in mine, hospital caught fire etc) or this negative article from usually British newspaper/BBC service is thoroughly reported on here, by Fran or somebody else. If you think that a Russsian reading all this negative crap on here will feel inclined to communicate in a civilised manner with you lot, you'd better perish the thought.

Another point about the Brits. Russian people since Soviet times have had very favorable pro-British opinion, probably because Soviet propaganda was centred mostly on the USA. Even now many still quite like Thatcher or Blair (Bush is seen as idiot in our country too, but Blair is rather a good guy, not just Bush's poodle). Unfortunately, those numerous examples of mocking anecdotes of binge drinking Russian prostitutes, apalling Russian past, corrupted Russian present and much feared Russian future, told by mostly British media and repeated by British people have forced  many of us to come to the  same conclusion about British, to which many of the Europeans came ages ago, in pre-EU time. I mean  the title of the book written by a French author G.J.Renier in 1931 The English; Are They Human? (mentioned in Kate Fox's popular book Watching the English).

As for you, rate me as you are tempted. This won't stop filling this site with offensive crappy ingnorant distortive information about my country, don't worry.

by lana on Sat May 5th, 2007 at 01:14:21 PM EST
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The majority of this mockery is poured on the Internet sites by native English speakers, usually British.

What languages other than English and Russian do you speak? And do you assume that if the majority of the mockers are from one nation, then the majority, or even all (as evidenced by your attacks one some persons here) members of that nation are mockers? (And yes I don't deny that the mockers exist, even on this site, and that regular occurence of such mockery is nauseating and infuriating, even in small doses; you could write a diary on this.)

long (at least since mid-19th century) hostility towards Russian Empire/USSR/Russian Federation etc

Hm, indeed there was the Crimean War and the Royal Navy intervention in the last big Russo-Turkish War, but after the latter, there was an alliance until the Bolshevik Revolution, another alliance during WWII, and residual pro-Soviet sympathies in a not insignificant part of the population thereafter.

Besides, almost all the articles/bits of news about Russia you read in your press show only one, very negative side.

Almost all articles of news from non-neighbouring countries you read in the press (especially tabloid press, especially British tabloid press) show very negative sides. This is true for the Russian press, too. Not that this wouldn't be a bad practice, but you shouldn't only notice when it hits your country.

horoughly reported on here, by Fran or somebody else

Erm, I estimate most Russia-related stories in the Salon now come from blackhawk. Including disaster stories. (BTW, you attacked me when I responded to one by naming the possibility of arson attacks by far-righters -- I note that the article I responded to was (1) Russian (RIA Novosti) (2) the article itself made the implicit suggestion that there is a pattern.)

If you think that a Russsian reading all this negative crap on here will feel inclined to communicate in a civilised manner with you lot, you'd better perish the thought.

Well, there are four Russian regulars on ET, three of them manage to communicate in a civilised manner, though all four are sensitive to and complain of anti-Russian biases and mockery.

Another point about the Brits. Russian people since Soviet times have had very favorable pro-British opinion, probably because Soviet propaganda was centred mostly on the USA. Even now many still quite like Thatcher or Blair

That alone could be a good diary subject.

conclusion about British, to which many of the Europeans came ages ago, in pre-EU time I mean  the title of the book written by a French author G.J.Renier in 1931 The English; Are They Human?

So you think the British (whom you equate with the English...) are inmutable, like Matt Taibbi thinks the Russian peasant is? Or like many Americans think the French still stink like after WWII and wear moustaches, or many Brits and Americans think Germans speak & walk in Prussian militarist style?

filling this site with offensive crappy ingnorant distortive information about my country

If only you filled this site with information on your country! But usually you fill it with offensive crappy ingnorant distortive insults unrelated to any information OR your country. But when you occasionally do the first, the 4 ratings you then receive should have been an indication that it is welcomed.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat May 5th, 2007 at 01:54:58 PM EST
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All this cross-secting and over-analysing my every word won't bring you any good, dodo. Try to relax a little, drink some Bikaver.
by lana on Sun May 6th, 2007 at 07:05:59 AM EST
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won't bring you any good

Yet your replies to others show clearly that it is working inside you.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun May 6th, 2007 at 03:16:44 PM EST
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I report what I can find on the internet - if you have some better sources for news about Russia, please let me know and give me the links - it would be appreciated.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 5th, 2007 at 02:21:48 PM EST
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That's exactly what I meant. Neither you, nor anybody else not speaking Russian will hardly manage to find anything good about Russia. On the other hand, sources in Russian (TV, most newspapers, including our half-tabloids) are full of good news about the rest of the world. Anything more or less valuable has immediately being translated into Russian - books, pictures, I don't know,  Kurt a white bear cub was shown on every  our TV channel. The animals in Russian zoos do have offspring too and they are cute too but if ever any news from a Russian zoo will be shown in your so fucking non-censored democratic countries with free access to information, well, then it inevitably will be something like animals in Russian zoos die from starvation, the management drink all day long and steal meat off tigers and lions for a barbeque etc.

Then, translators worldwide translate from a foreign language ro their own and not the other way around. That means that wealthy democratic western world just can't afford as much professional translators from Russian as we  here in authoritarian hopelessly undemocratic can from other languages?  Or it would be hard to swallow some good news about Russia?

by lana on Sun May 6th, 2007 at 06:53:58 AM EST
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sources in Russian (TV, most newspapers, including our half-tabloids) are full of good news about the rest of the world

Could you quote a few of these good news about Baltic countries?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun May 6th, 2007 at 01:56:25 PM EST
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Is your comment display set to "Nested" or not?

If not, change that and you can reduce your opportunities for paranoia (a British-born Frenchman's comment about the French far-right directed at your comment?... people waiting for you to comment, as if ET consisted only of those threads?... now do you feel like Akakii Akakievich or the VIP?), if yes, you had no reason to assume a comment is not a reply to its parent.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 05:50:06 PM EST
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Are they copying Le Pen? The Front National here took over May 1st years ago by calling it Joan of Arc's Day. (Which is officially the second Sunday in May, I think...) So the FN holds its biggest annual rally in Paris on May 1st, and did so today.

Le Pen, btw, called for abstention in the second round of the election.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 04:13:25 PM EST
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The socialist/labot movements took over a tradition with apparently pre-pagan roots in the first place so I am not surprised. Co-opting holidays is an ancient tradition.

Wikipedia has this (and much more) to say on the origins of May Day:

May Day is May 1, and refers to any of several holidays celebrated on this day. May 1 was a traditional summer holiday in many pre-Christian European pagan cultures, and many elements of these holidays are still celebrated on May 1 today, such as the Maypole. While February 1 was the first day of Spring, May 1 was the first day of summer: hence, the summer solstice on June 25 (now June 21) was "midsummer."


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by A swedish kind of death on Tue May 1st, 2007 at 07:06:28 PM EST
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Um, yeah... But there is also this:
May Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
May Day also refers to various socialist and labor movement celebrations conducted on May 1, unrelated to the traditional celebrations, to commemorate the Haymarket martyrs of 1886 and the international socialist movement generally. The latter event is an important holiday in Communist and Socialist countries.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 02:17:47 AM EST
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Oups, did not see the "unrelated" part. Though I doubt there is not some relationship. Easier to arrange stuff when people are not working anyway.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed May 2nd, 2007 at 08:25:35 AM EST
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