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You people are getting very freaking dangerous and crazy.

I despair for civilization.

"When the abyss stares at me, it wets its pants." Brian Hopkins

by EricC on Mon May 14th, 2007 at 05:56:24 PM EST
Maybe you would like to explain what's in NATO for us?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 14th, 2007 at 05:59:21 PM EST
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Breath-taking adventures in tropical climes?

I heard today that Wolfowitz is taking over as head of the U.S. contingent in about two months.

"When the abyss stares at me, it wets its pants." Brian Hopkins

by EricC on Mon May 14th, 2007 at 06:16:04 PM EST
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I think that's the core question behind all our questioning of what NATO is for.

NATO is the instrument whereby US policy becomes the policy of the "international community", and thus takes on added legitimacy. NATO is the diplomacy-laundering operation of the White House.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon May 14th, 2007 at 06:07:54 PM EST
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At this time in history, I believe the U.S. needs NATO more than the European members need NATO. It may have worn out its usefulness to Europe, but I think the alliance did help European nations out once upon a time. Is there nothing that can be done to salvage the marraige?

I feel that if NATO dissolves, then ever member is poorer because of it. Likely a totally American view point, but we need friends -- in sickness and in health.

Put it this way, America has fallen ill and now needs help. Presently seems to be having a difficult time help itself. Can NATO or Europe, somehow, help revitalize an old partner?

by Magnifico on Tue May 15th, 2007 at 02:24:12 AM EST
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If the US needs help, it is not military help, so NATO is not needed.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 15th, 2007 at 02:32:18 AM EST
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why the rest of the world plays along baffles me sometimes. it's bad enough to have to hear my fellow americans bellowing about the need for their "leadership" day in and day out, but rather stunning to see the rest of the world basically acquiesce to said "leadership."
by wu ming on Tue May 15th, 2007 at 03:13:29 AM EST
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Have you noticed how Dubya uses the word "leadership"?

Whenever he says such a person or country has "shown leadership" or needs to "show leadership", it invariably means they did or should do what he wants.

In the Bushie up-is-down dictionary, "leadership" means "obedience".

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 15th, 2007 at 03:28:03 AM EST
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No, I belive you are thinking of the UN.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue May 15th, 2007 at 10:15:42 AM EST
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NATO works as well, when the UN doesn't.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 15th, 2007 at 10:17:18 AM EST
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