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Although there has been a >£1bn hotel group refinancing using a "Capital Partnership" for a 27 year revenue sharing agreement.

The "Capital Partnership" application of an LLP allows the introduction of a "Non-toxic" form of PFI and PPP.

ie a model linking together "partnerships of partnerships" or "cooperatives of cooperatives" of stakeholders with no place for "rentiers".

Imagine a partnership between an employee cooperative like John Lewis, and a retail/ "customer" cooperative.

Capital would come from the employees (as a pension investment in future revenues, instead of unsecured loans as now) and the customers (an investment offsettable against future purchases maybe): probably secured by "co-ownership" of the business premises (as opposed to a claim/mortgage over it).

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu May 17th, 2007 at 02:50:48 PM EST
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Given 'no and no' I still don't see how an LLP magically changes the market exclusion principle (by which one class considers itself owners of everything, and all other classes are considered expendable) or automatically sets up a different social dynamic.

The problem isn't that people aren't using LLPs. The problem is that a small group of hooligans think they own the fucking universe and the rest of us exist to keep them in money and luxury goods - plus entertainment when they decide a war is necessary.

I'm not clear how LLPs are supposed to solve that problem. Just because it's possible for an enterprise to become more open and sharing, doesn't mean that sharing and openness become more likely.

Now, if you could arrange a system where cooperative LLPs crowd out toxic corporations for solid market reasons (oh, the irony...), you might be onto something.

But I'm not seeing how, or even if, you're proposing to connect those dots together.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 18th, 2007 at 07:51:24 AM EST
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 Now, if you could arrange a system where cooperative LLPs crowd out toxic corporations for solid market reasons (oh, the irony...), you might be onto something.

You put your finger on how it will happen. The "Cooperative Advantage" is the freedom from paying returns to rentiers.

Those businesses that do NOT use these tools will be at a disadvantage to those that do. Classic Darwinism.

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri May 18th, 2007 at 08:24:19 AM EST
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I've been away for months, so I have a few of these saved up: "Diary!"


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by Number 6 on Fri May 18th, 2007 at 09:11:57 AM EST
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Your system doesn't reduce the inequality in the distribution of capital, I see it as pretty irrelevant to those who don't have any to begin with.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 18th, 2007 at 09:34:21 AM EST
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Land ownership is the key point. Those who have exclusive rights to "Commons" should compensate those they exclude.

That's where "Community Partnerships" come in.

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri May 18th, 2007 at 09:41:35 AM EST
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At least in the UK, all freeholds should be the property of the state and ground rent should replace council tax. IMHO

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 18th, 2007 at 09:51:59 AM EST
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Exactly (of course freeholds technically belong to "the Crown" already): but for State read municipality.

I would advocate a couple of forms (and its not either/or) of "rental".

One is a "location benefit levy" based upon the amount of land occupied and the location/desirability of it, as measured by land rental value.

This levy would be pooled and redistributed evenly to members of the "Community Partnership" resulting in a net transfer from those who have exclusive use of more, and more "desirable", land to those who have less.

The second is a levy based upon income (or production of land, for farms) eg x% of income goes into a pot, is pooled and redistributed evenly.

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri May 18th, 2007 at 03:17:55 PM EST
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None of this changes the fact that you still have to pay to play.

And most people will have a hard time affording either.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat May 19th, 2007 at 07:21:11 AM EST
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The problem is that a small group of hooligans think they own the fucking universe and the rest of us exist to keep them in money and luxury goods - plus entertainment when they decide a war is necessary.
 

 Great said!
by vbo on Fri May 18th, 2007 at 07:39:08 PM EST
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