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It's time to end the I/P conflict by carving the boundary into international law and encouraging the combatants to deal with one another instead of abusing history to provide phony justifications for continuing the conflict.              

Yes, ok...agree.....but UN is international law ...no?

List of UN resolutions concerning Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From 1967 to 1989 the UN Security Council passed 131 resolutions directly dealing with the Arab-Israeli conflict. Of the 131 resolutions passed, 43 could be considered neutral while the remaining 88 either criticized and opposed the actions of Israel or judged against its interests. Nearly half of the 88 resolutions against Israel "condemned," "censured," or "deplored" the member state or its actions.[3] During this time, in the UN General Assembly, 429 resolutions against Israel were passed, and Israel was condemned 321 times.[4]


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 05:17:05 PM EST
Treaties, organizations, and different parts of the UN with different biases.

The UN is an essential but deeply flawed organization.  Its General Assembly is dominated by tiny but numerous countries who want Israel wiped off the map.  Its Security Council, which actually makes policy, is dominated by the US and pro-Israel nations.

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future

by Nonpartisan on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 05:38:59 PM EST
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Its General Assembly is dominated by tiny but numerous countries who want Israel wiped off the map.

Huh!? Care to elaborate?

Votes against Israel in the General Assembly usually go something like 180 vs. 3. That 3 is Israel, the USA, and some small Pacific nation.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 06:08:57 PM EST
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You are correct; I knew not whereof I spoke.  Thanks for correcting me.

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future
by Nonpartisan on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 06:58:35 PM EST
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Oh, and despite US veto power, out of 131 UN SC resolutions, "88 either criticized and opposed the actions of Israel or judged against its interests".

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 06:16:25 PM EST
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somewhere I have a book that lists all of the resolutions concerning Israel, and the analysis was that security council resolutions against Israel are generally not vetoed, unless they suggest any form of action. If they contain any punative measures they are vetoed faster than you could blink.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 01:31:55 PM EST
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The UN is an essential but deeply flawed organization..

Woeha..... this is indeed a very US American statement.
Please .... get rid of Bush &Co .....elect a real president and the UNO will function as intended.

In the open thread I posted a link to the Annual Report of the BICC (Bonn International Center for Conversion).
English edition is not yet available but the figures they mention in the press-release are, for us Europeans, frightening......I repeat : frightening.
That level of militarisation is a world wide threat as demonstrated by Israel supported by the USA.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 07:01:18 PM EST
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Is there a French version available?  I read French pretty well.

I think it's flawed in ways pro-US as well as anti-US, though.  For instance, I think the membership and prominence of the Security Council is tilted unfairly in America's favor.

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future

by Nonpartisan on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 07:08:16 PM EST
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Full text now in English(pdf)

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu May 24th, 2007 at 10:41:34 AM EST
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The UN Security Council is dominated by the veto-wielding members, and the other 9 are elected from regional groupings for 2-year terms so they are generally representative of the General Assembly.

If you looked at the history of vetos in the UNSC, you'll find that initially it was the USSR that most often vetoed resolutions, but at some point (presumably after 1967) the US began to veto resolutions having to do with Israel and nowadays  is just about the only country that regularly vetoes reoulutions, as well as dominating the overall tally of vetoes.

The fact that the US uses veto so often indicates that it doesn't dominate the UNSC. If it did, it wouldn't need to veto anything.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 07:06:31 PM EST
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I don't think the US should have veto power over anything, frankly.  Nor should any other organization.  That's a major problem with the UN in my book.

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future
by Nonpartisan on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 07:09:49 PM EST
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As I have argued before, the function [though not the stated purpose] of the UNSC is to prevent open warfare among "World Powers" by allowing them to draw lines in the sand for each other by means of vetoes. I used to have a lot of problems with veto until I (recently) realised this.

As long as (at least) China, the US and Russia have the potential for Mutually Assured Destruction, they need to have veto power at the UNSC.

What is deeply disturbing is that the US doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about the UNSC, or the global balance of power, and they even seem to think they can achieve a nuclear first strike capability soon.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 07:15:34 PM EST
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Interesting.  The "US not giving a rat's ass about the UNSC or global balance of power" is a Bush thing, not an American thing per se.

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future
by Nonpartisan on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 07:45:27 PM EST
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Look at my sig.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 05:14:25 AM EST
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Well, there is some truth to that, given that so many people voted for him; however, those people have to be considered a decided minority at this point.

ProgressiveHistorians: History For Our Future
by Nonpartisan on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 02:41:47 PM EST
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No, that's not what I mean.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 05:17:51 PM EST
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Er.. the other 10.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 05:36:14 AM EST
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