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I'm giving up on the French.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 07:17:31 AM EST
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Interested in moving to ETopia?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 07:23:41 AM EST
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It would be like Finland, except the climate would be Spanish, the food French, and (add your own...)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 10:47:47 AM EST
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I imagine it as sort of Phallanstery for the 21st century.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 10:51:03 AM EST
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Aaah - you mean Starship Hawking!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 10:53:46 AM EST
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Reminds me in some ways of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Army

A cousin of mine is a member.  Probably different conversations around the large dinner table, though.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 06:43:55 PM EST
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Giving up on one's people is when you see a barely articulate chimpanzee with a radio on his back beat a decorated war vet whose only downfall is that he looked and spoke like an intellectual.

Whay I saw last night was rather pathetic, and neither candidates made a case that I should vote for them.

I'll vote Sego because she is well-meaning, as opposed to the potentially dangerous Iznogoud from the other side, but that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

(I was tough towards Kerry in the US, too. Why am I always being asked to vote for well-meaning clueless candidates.)

We have a expression in the States for what I saw last night: not ready for prime time.

by Lupin on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 08:03:25 AM EST
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We have a expression in the States for what I saw last night: not ready for prime time.

Countries and cultures differ. Thank goodness not everyone is ready for American prime time.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 09:05:35 AM EST
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The old "cultural exception" argument, eh? :-) Used in particular to justify bad TV. Which, in effect, this was.
by Lupin on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 09:16:10 AM EST
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There might be some truth to it (that you're a bit harsh).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 09:22:07 AM EST
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I am certainly a bit harsh, but it is because as someone up there so aptly said, this, to me, looked more like a debate between two candidates for the position of school board supervisor shot on the set of WPIG channel 56 in Schenectady, NY, not between two candidates for the executive power of one of the most important countries on the planet.

I've been harsh enough towards so many facets of the US for so long that I think I can look at some French thing and say, that sucks.

Watching two people from opposite sides cross verbal swords for two hours can't help but give you an insight into their styles. But is that ALL that should have been accomplished?

In ice skating, for example, you get free style but you also get to perform a number with certain  set pieces in it to show that you have the skill, the discipline and the method.

Same here. We got the free style, but we barely got anything else.

by Lupin on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 09:38:32 AM EST
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I'll take a good debate over good TV, if I must have the choice.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 09:26:28 AM EST
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No, it's not the "cultural exception" argument, not one whit. It's the argument that, though it may produce good series (if you like them), by and large, I utterly dislike (what I've seen of) the over-hyped crap that goes for news, discussion, reporting, and "talk" on American TV.

By saying cultures differ, I was politely saying fuck American prime time. :-)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 09:45:03 AM EST
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"A well-meaning clueless decorated war vet who looked and spoke like an intelectual" is a good description of Kerry.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 10:13:52 AM EST
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Look and spoke like.

But I fear it went no further than that.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 10:47:41 AM EST
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Kerry has many other downfalls, Lupin.  You have battered wife syndrome?
by paving on Thu May 3rd, 2007 at 03:20:52 PM EST
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