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the coming into force of equal-pay-for-equal-work regulations increased the amount that needed to be paid to the cooking and catering staff

They received grant increases to take this law into account when it came int ofoce in the mid-90s. However, they chose to spend it on other things, like pay rises for them and their mates, instead of actually providing legally-mandated equal pay. So they have no right to threaten services on such grounds.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 30th, 2007 at 05:37:37 PM EST
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They received grant increases to take this law into account when it came int ofoce in the mid-90s.

Do you have a reference to actual legal text for that? Or, would you know where I should look for it?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2007 at 05:39:31 PM EST
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I am confused... We're talking about The Equal Pay Act 1970, right?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 30th, 2007 at 05:52:01 PM EST
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No, as you'd expect with such laws, there were numerous ways that could be used to get around it, especially when unions connived with employers to deny women their rights. So not only wer women denied equality before the mid-90s, but the unions continued to aid employers after that time as well.

It was an absolute scandal, yet was buried until no win no fee lawyers started contesting the cosy arrangements.

This is the nearest thing I could quickly find to an explanation of what happened

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/career_and_jobs/public_sector/article1499983.ece

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 30th, 2007 at 06:35:51 PM EST
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Thanks, I remember that article from a European Breakfast or Salon. But this
The Government is so far refusing to bale out the employers, although ministers are worried about the escalating costs that could lead to higher council tax bills next year and further cuts in NHS services. Phil Woolas, the Local Government Minister, is considering legal measures to make agreements binding, though these could fall foul of the Equal Pay Act 1970 and a subsequent EU ruling in 2003.
seems to contradict your claim that the councils got grants to pay for higher women's salaries.

It's a scandal all around, I agree.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 01:51:52 AM EST
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The article refers to now.  The Government isn't prepared to put the money in now to cover the differences.

The Gender Equality Duty recently came into force in the UK, requiring public authorities to put together an equality scheme that outline actions for ensuring gender equality, BUT, the English regulations do not go so far as mandating equal pay audits (thank you very much, Women in Work Commission).

I'm happy to note though that the specific duties of the Act intend to be stronger in Wales, and will include mandatory equal pay audits for all authorities that fall under that section of the Act.  It involves the devolution of certain powers to Wales to give us the ability to do that, but I've been told that by the end of this year, Wales ought to have mandatory equal pay audits in their version of the regulations.

And well done btw, on securing such a good response about your child's school meals (although I thought that Jamie Oliver had single handedly secured an increase to the school meals budget UK wide, to provide healthier food?).

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 02:58:09 AM EST
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Oh, the quality of the meals is not under question. But a budget increase to improve the quality of the meals doesn't mean a budget increase to pay a fair wage to those pesky "dinner ladies".

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 03:09:02 AM EST
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Why do I have this nagging impression that Wales and Scotland are much more civilised places than England?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 03:21:51 AM EST
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Because they are.  We are closer to our Assembly than you can ever be in England to Parliament.  I know a number of Welsh AMs and MPs, and can have access to the political process at local and (Welsh) national level relatively easily, through various means.  

The values and desire to do to the best for our country (which of course we don't always get right) really drives people here, far more so than in England.
There is also a more tangiable heritage and national identity for Wales and Scotland, that connects people more, I think.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 04:55:45 AM EST
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The values and desire to do to the best for our country (which of course we don't always get right) really drives people here, far more so than in England.

I think that is the main difference.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 1st, 2007 at 06:14:58 AM EST
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We're still seeing these issues with the unions.  It's viewed as a conflict between equality rights and collective bargaining rights.

For example, if an equal pay case would result in X amount being awarded to reduce the pay gap between male and female workers, the unions would also be trying to use the same money to ensure that the terms and conditions of male workers would not be reduced ie using pay protection packages.  But the money can't cover both and the GMB were challenged over this recently and lost their case because they failed to secure back pay for the women that they were representing within that particular authority.

I totally detest these no win no fee lawyers and the sooner the gap in the legislation that allows them to take on employment tribunal cases is closed, the better.  They have however, made unions and authorities sit right up where equal pay is concerned and we are seeing slow improvements but also silly excuses like the one Migeru was given, that services need to be cut because those damn women want equality.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 02:47:15 AM EST
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The shortfall could be made up by a very modest increase in council tax. I really don't see the problem at all.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 02:57:53 AM EST
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How about councils not mismanaging practically all of their budgets?

For everything that is important, we seem to see a suggestion that a small increase in council tax is needed for it - which I wouldn't mind so much if council tax allocation was a little fairer in the first place.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 03:00:49 AM EST
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Well, I was amazed at how many issues of financial mismanagement at the council and national level [and moving money from this pot to that pot to cover up for messes] were discussed at just that one Governors meeting.

My council tax bill increase by about £50 this year, so I wouldn't have minded seeing £1 of that go towards equal pay for equal work for school meals, to be honest.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 31st, 2007 at 03:11:00 AM EST
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