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Notons que Nicolas Sarkozy a préfacé ses remarques sur l'économie française lors du débat télévisé par l'observation que (selon lui) la France n'obtenait pas de bons chiffres de croissance parce que les Français ne travaillait pas assez. (Moins que dans les pays comparables, etc). Un example de plus de la circulation de (fausses) idées reçues à ce sujet.

Nicolas Sarkozy opened his remarks on the French economy during the TV debate by observing that (according to him) France did not get good growth figures because the French didn't work enough. (Less than in comparable countries, etc). Yet another example of (false) conventional wisdom on this subject.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 12:19:28 PM EST
It is interesting to note that Sarkozy and much of the media has pretty much been able to spew neolib propaganda about the decline of France, unemployment, work values and welfare ("assistanat") virtually unopposed. Royal and co, like the democrats across the pond, have failed to provide a clear alternative discourse to counter the framing of issues by rightwingers.
by Fete des fous on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 12:53:33 PM EST
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Crucial point, and perhaps reveals an area where we need to focus. Afew asks the right question- why did Jerome not put this in media's hands, in Royal's hands two weeks ago? And one answer is that she is, in her way, as isolated and elite-bound as the rest. It is very, very  hard to penetrate the cloud of handlers and speechwriters and consultants that surrounds a candidate. And if you have good, compelling stuff, you are usually seen not as an asset, but as an outsider and a threat to the insiders, too often.
Same with a lot of the media- the "not written here" syndrome is powerful. The better your stuff, the more defensively they react. As well, in the united states the Democrats do not yet know neoliberalism is dead, and the media will carry the rotting corpse on their shoulders for a long time to come.
All that said, I think you could do it, Jerome.
"What do you MEAN that GDP isn't everything?" and the steel visor slams shut in the mind.
Pry open the visor. Personalize it.  

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 02:20:18 PM EST
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I would have thought that the left wing of the PS would let her know of elements of what Jerome describes. It seems to me that if she isn't bringing it up it's per choice, but I'd be happy to be wrong. As for the language of framing, I just don't understand why we let rightwingers use terms like "assistanat" unchallenged in a public debate (it makes my blood boil! :) Seriously, we already concede half the battle if we accept the dichotomy between public subsidy and welfare.

Whatever happens on Sunday, Jerome should certainly keep peddling his excellent work on this topic (and others of course ;). It may even be more necessary to spread it on monday; although, I am an optimist.

by Fete des fous on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 04:20:07 PM EST
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You can't stop them and by using the term you validate their stasis.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 06:41:27 PM EST
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They'll only stop if the political price for using it becomes too great. It seems that what "validates" the argument is the history and degree of acceptance of the perspective by the public, which is almost a given considering the role the media plays in propagandizing the commonly held view. Unfortunately, after several decades of seeing progressives ignore the media-propped anti-fiscality/anti-government/anti-welfare discourse of neoliberals I have come to believe that it is better to disconstuct their framing as it occurs to point out the glaring inconsitensies. Once their discourse has taken hold of a large fraction of the public, such as appears to be the case in France right now, we are better off attempting to demonize their disocurse to make them weary of using it. That's my take on it :)
by Fete des fous on Fri May 4th, 2007 at 07:43:47 PM EST
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Thus the importance of Kellogg's series on Rhetoric, found on the diary list ------>

ThatBritGuy, sometime ago, posted the existence of an everpresent stream of press releases from Right Wing Thinktanks and the paucity, or non-existence, of such from the Left.  

Until we learn how to engage both effectively and consistently we're gonna get our arses handed to us.

This is getting too Off Topic, for me, so I'll let you have the last word, should you want it.


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat May 5th, 2007 at 12:24:16 PM EST
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I would have thought that the left wing of the PS would let her know of elements of what Jerome describes. It seems to me that if she isn't bringing it up it's per choice,

It's possible. In fact, the European socialists are full of people like Pedro Solbes who are reputed to be "good" economists, but that usually means they are "mainstream" economists and they usually believe what they say. Which means they have all drunk the kool-aid, and they read the FT and The Economist and take them seriously.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 5th, 2007 at 04:41:09 AM EST
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