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DoDo, you talk about expertise.  Do you apply the same skepticism to the "terrorism experts" on television?  Do you think that FEMA or MIT are objective scientific bodies?  

The list is of learned people.  Whatever their field, they know how to evaluate facts and make inferences.  They are willing to say that, for various reasons, the official story does not make sense.  

by Ningen on Tue Jun 12th, 2007 at 06:30:16 PM EST
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I don't watch "terrorism experts" on TV and yes, I apply the same scepticism, and anyway, your question tells of binary thinking. And I am a learned person too, such argument from authority is truly weak.

This binary thinking really bugs me. There is no "the official version" and there is no single sceptical version. Claims from official sources have changed in the past, see example of air control timeline. Critics of the 9/11 Commission vary greatly in what they criticise and what they accept from others' criticisms (see for example the where are the wings controversy, where some 9/11 truthies think this all is Rumsfeld's spin to discredit truthseekers). In turn there are private debunkers who analyse conspiracy claims on their own, and 9/11 truthies in turn establish different counter-hypotheses.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jun 13th, 2007 at 04:51:54 AM EST
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The buildings were pulverized in less than 15 seconds.  Just think about that.  Good bye.
by Ningen on Fri Jun 15th, 2007 at 06:10:21 AM EST
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WTC-7 had a mass of about 250,000 tons and 174 m high. That's a potential energy of 21,750 gigajoule. That's the energy of a 5 kiloton nuclear bomb.

You would need incredible amounts of building collapse explosives to match that.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Jun 15th, 2007 at 01:58:15 PM EST
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Correction: just 213 gigajoule, c. 50 tons TNT. (Unless I miscalculated again.) Still a big amount.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jun 15th, 2007 at 02:14:14 PM EST
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So the building was massive and would take a huge amount of energy to destroy.  We agree on that.
by Ningen on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 04:54:56 PM EST
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That's the amount of energy released in the collapse, and it may or may not be enough to explain the observed pyroclastic flow. The [entirely different] question is how much energy is needed to weaken it structurally so it collapses.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 05:04:03 PM EST
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