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Well, I wrote an extraordinarily subtle comment with an undetectably light touch of sarcasm (keywords: conservatism, responsibility). Let's see...
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 06:50:59 AM EST
We should collect our replies here. And I plan to point to them in my upcoming dKos diary on the topic.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 06:52:48 AM EST
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OK, so this is more or less it (from memory):

All that environmentalists demand is responsibility. The responsibility to pay for the damage we cause, and to do our utmost to stop causing damage. I thought that responsibility was supposed to be a conservative virtue and a necessary complement to the great freedom we have in our open market democracies. But more and more I see the supporters of capitalism demand that they be free to dump their waste on their neighbours' lawns without consequence. What happened?

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 06:58:04 AM EST
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Mr. Klaus seems to have forgotten that with all rights come responsibilities.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 07:06:41 AM EST
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He's not the only one.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 07:07:24 AM EST
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This was precisely the argument given by a prominent Roma tango singer in a discussion on TV last night concerning the furore our comedy TV series has created.

He said Finnish Roma have been very vocal about demanding their rights, but said very little about their responsibilities. He noted that a high percentage of Roma kids never even complete basic education.

Rights are always balanced by responsibilities.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 02:20:17 PM EST
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What happened is that "liberty" has been hijacked by the powerful to erode responsibility. It's been going on since the industrial revolution. It is a concept that now seems to be at the service of selfishness, and this is actually a cause of any authoritarian appeal in the environmental movement. Authoritarian "solutions", on that one can agree, wouldn't work. But the rhetorical fallacy in Klaus' argument is to say that anything that is not unfettered market liberalism is authoritarian. As usual, you're with them or against them, and everything is either black or white.

This is, by the way, very Christian:

So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth. — Revelation 3:16


Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 07:06:50 AM EST
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It's a bit on the snarky side:
Mr Klaus,
You write that "scientists should help us and take into consideration the political effects of their scientific opinions." Would it not be prudent to let the scientists deal with science, and the politicians deal with politics? After all, no less a dignitary than yourself call upon us to "resist the politicisation of science."

It is unfathomable to me that, in spite of the overwhelming amount of evidence for global warming caused by human activity (presented, for example, in the IPCC assessment reports), an intelligent and rational human being such as yourself would continue to dismiss said evidence as if it was just another second-rate Michael Crichton thriller.

As a rational and freedom-loving person, I would like to have the opportunity to continue enjoying my freedoms and reveling in my own rationality above sea-level.



"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 07:49:14 AM EST
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Interesting, because Michael Crichton is a Climate Change denier.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 08:00:28 AM EST
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Klaus quotes Crichton in his editorial, seemingly unaware of the irony:
the greatest challenge facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda


"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 08:10:03 AM EST
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To distinguish reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda, listen to the politicians and not to the scientists.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 08:13:52 AM EST
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Or, to paraphrase Ayn Rand, "A is B."

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 08:19:22 AM EST
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War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strenght.
Havel took care of number one, and Klaus is giving us number three.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 08:26:26 AM EST
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The man does seem to have a black belt in doublethink.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Jun 14th, 2007 at 08:37:24 AM EST
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