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Really excellent diary.  So, who are the new leaders and what criteria are we to judge them by?  I mean, what's to stop a new leader repeating the tiring methods of the old leaders?  New ideas, I suppose.  What will take the place of capital accumulation, given that some humans need to feel themselves "somewhere near the top" of whatever cultural tree we're climbing...really excellent diary Cassiodorus...summing up the bind we're in.  Assuming for a moment that Chris Cook's idea about value transaction societies, where you start with something of value to someone else and then exchange brings culture...then the question is: how to get from here to there?  What does who need to hear or see or taste or smell or touch or...well...I think, as melo has said, that the rich need to kick back, work less, take a pay cut, enjoy what they have, walk about their property rather than driving and flying from here to there.  Take a stroll around the neighbourhood rather than sitting inside with everything switched on.  Buying stuff and then not buying any more stuff because they're too busy using the stuff they bought...I remember a guy, this is many years ago, he was a computer guy earning good money for inserting a floppy disk into a computer, moving a few files, then clicking on an .exe file and waiting ten minutes....we'd chat in those ten minutes...he must have been loading all of our computers, so there were a series of ten minute chats.  He was into music software and hardware.  I wanted to buy a digital recording studio, but I wasn't sure.  A computer and digitial recording software seemed more feasible.  But there was this one digital recording box, it was....a lot of money.  He bought one.  So the next time I saw him I said, "So, what's it like?"  "You know what?" he said.  "I haven't had time to take it out of the box."  Next time I met him he still hadn't taken it out of the box.  And the next time after that he'd bought another two shiny toys, not to mention the sports car he was lusting to rent.  "You pay X a month.  When you run out of money, you give it back."

So...leadership, at all levels, from the individual up and back down to the individual...the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.  How to negotiate the change?  No politician wants that responisibility, it seems, or can think clearly within that headspace.  Too kooky!  Life cannot be that much in peril.  So yes, highlighting the number of species dying out.  A friend of mine said, "The large mammals are all dying out."  Except for us, cows, pigs, sheep, dogs....  

...hey!  Great writing, great reading!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 08:04:56 PM EST
So, who are the new leaders and what criteria are we to judge them by?  I mean, what's to stop a new leader repeating the tiring methods of the old leaders?  New ideas, I suppose.

Say, aren't you Parisians having an International ecosocialist meeting sometime in October?  You should find leaders there.

"Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

by Cassiodorus on Sat Jun 16th, 2007 at 08:27:31 PM EST
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... let those who wish to strut like peacocks because of their wealth do so because of the biowealth that has been added to their land that decade ... as measured by a highly professional service and widely publicized.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Jun 17th, 2007 at 08:02:28 AM EST
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That is why organizations without leaders, non-hierarchical systems, self-organizing systems, bottom-ups,  cooperatives, horizontal networks, communitites and all the other alternative methods of structuring human activity, are so interesting, and, possibly, the only way to get all of us out of the unhappy mess we are in.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jun 17th, 2007 at 09:00:21 AM EST
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What percentage of the world's population would you say is currently either

a) supported by an organisation without hierarchy

or

b) at least part-supported by one

or

c) has an open-invitation one economically close to them

I wouldnae know.

I think another factor (the "kill the bastards" factor) is: How many of these organisations are being activiely harrassed, undermined, and generally attacked--and killed--because their non-hierarchical organisation is sitting upon a valuable resource--and not making all the profit they could...I mean: how will and do such groups survive the unhappy arrival of the local mafioso and his or her henchpersons?

But first, what percent are we at, and how fast is it growing--if it's growing at all?

Melo had a quote from someone which made the claim that we are now at the "over 50%" point for people who "get it"--who understand more or less what's going on.  This is supposed to be a tipping point figure (it was five per cent in the sixties)...he can explain it better than me, I'm sure...but once you have minds prepared you need organisations prepared...as melo writes in his comment here, "Your pension needs bombs and oil"...so okay, I'll let go of my pension...

...The self-organisation will have, or does have, an internal cohesion--a resistance to attack and a method of development...but how early are these early days?  We can learn so quickly, and if a person is not plagued by mental hang-ups, the techniques of a successful non-hierarchical X will be easy to replicate...and maybe dealing with the plagues of mental hang-ups across the planet is part of that...heh...for those enlightened, is the...is the...hey, is there a boom in the number of co-operative registrations across the planet?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sun Jun 17th, 2007 at 09:47:55 AM EST
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