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reflect on the uncontrolled, unexamined nature of his thought patterns, and his willingness to exhibit them as a supposedly rational point of view.

Amen.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 04:24:33 AM EST
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Stormy, do you have some background on that Palestinian celebration on the street in the youtube video?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 05:00:06 AM EST
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I think one of the problems with that video is that there isn't much background to it.  It appears to be real, and from what I can gather was shot by Reuters, although APTN also had similar footage.

I can't make out what the man is saying at the end.  The kids in the beginning and the old woman are saying Allahu Akbar.

The question is how representative it is.  They filed these few shots of a few (not "thousands," as Fox News reported) celebrating Palestinians, but no other footage that I know of from Palestine that day -- for example, of people who weren't celebrating.  That's sort of the nature of television, they take pictures of people doing things, not of people not-doing things.

It's hard to find anything online about this from people who don't have some sort of political axe to grind.  Matt Taibbi in exile.ru had a long sort of rumination on it, in which he concluded that American television coverage of the Middle East is essentially the work of Satan.  I mean, he didn't say that, but he wasn't very happy with the editorial decision to broadcast the clips....

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 05:23:39 AM EST
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Snopes.com has a page on it: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp.

It's clear from snopes.com (search for "arabs celebrating") that a whole bunch of urban legends (snopes says "innumerable") grew up around the theme of Arabs celebrating in the US. Edwin links to some pages in his diary.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 06:00:21 AM EST
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I think it is the APTN camera that you can see in the footage with the woman in glasses.

I remember a swedish television show (but which one? Mediamagasinet? Faktum? Google did not help...) doing some investigation on that clip, and tracking down that woman. Her take on it was that she had been tricked. She had been paid (in money or goods) to perform as the journalists needed some footage of joyous Palestines, but either did not say what for or lied about it.

by A swedish kind of death on Sat Jun 23rd, 2007 at 01:18:10 PM EST
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