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Yes, basically the doomsday argument from my other post

9)

Here we disagree: there is very serious evidence that it is very cheap energy-wise (using slow-moving colony ships made from hollowed-out asteroids), and not so long, to colonize a galaxy (less than a million years)

10)

Indeed, but eventually comes the day the sun dies. At that point, would stick out there and die ?

Pierre

by Pierre on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:32:52 PM EST
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For 9) I have to say it doesn't matte whether it makes sense. Given billions of individuals and millions of years, someone (most likely a band of fanatics) is bound to try and succeed.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:36:49 PM EST
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True if you're talking about humans.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:43:24 PM EST
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I'm sorry, Colman, but given billions of individuals and millions of years, anything that is not forbidden by the laws of physics is bound to happen.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:45:48 PM EST
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So you expect some humans to develop wings, flight and sonar at some stage?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:47:37 PM EST
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No, I am saying that once the energy to fly to a nearby star is available, someone is going to try, if that someone can be anyone in the following million years.

It's not like human cultures haven't done just about everything that their physical environment and technological ability has allowed to do. And other eartly life forms also colonise every single niche they have physical access to.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:50:27 PM EST
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Not necessarily.

Lets make an experience of thought:
If the atmosphere were to become inhospitable before we can leave the planet, and the oceans remained habitable, those seeking to survive would go there. At first in pressurized habitats. And when they realize their chances of maintaining their civilizations would be greatly enhanced by bolder moves, they will improve their biological capacity to live underwater. First by resisting higher pressures, then by going cold blooded (to withstand the heat loss in cold water and still be able to recover), then by breathing with gills (although the water would have to be hyper-oxygenated to enable 37°C body temperature and full brain performance)

I don't think changes will be made just for the fun of it. But if you must leave your planet for another one, and maximize the survival of your descendant on new worlds, GM quickly becomes the most effective way to achieve this.

Pierre

by Pierre on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 01:07:59 PM EST
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I once wrote an essay (must have been 15 years ago) in which I speculated that the best way to test our ability to live in space would be to build a semi-permanent colony under the ocean (the continental shelf would do nicely).

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 05:13:58 AM EST
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Thought Experiment.

Interestingly, I always associated the phrase Gedankenexperiment with Einstein, but wikipedia attributes it to HC Ørted and doesn't mention Einstein, but Ernst Mach.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 06:01:33 AM EST
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I associate it with Einstein too.

Pierre
by Pierre on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 06:07:40 AM EST
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HC Ørsted

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 27th, 2007 at 06:09:23 AM EST
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I entirely agree with you that someone somewhere would try, but i don't know about it necessarily being fanatics. It might turn on a linguistic concept they posess making a virtue of movement, or a biological imperative to seek out brighter light.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:55:30 PM EST
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Zealots?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 26th, 2007 at 12:57:27 PM EST
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