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Maybe this should be posted in orange as mini-series?...

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by DoDo on Sat Jun 30th, 2007 at 12:35:52 PM EST
Wow. Even here it could be done in two or three parts..!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jun 30th, 2007 at 12:51:27 PM EST
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I didn't check the word count until I posted...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jun 30th, 2007 at 01:24:22 PM EST
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... the ending, "always think in networks" and the list as the common intro, and "this is chapter 3, ..."

Great stuff ... much I had seen before when learning about rail for the fight to keep the rail line in Newcastle, NSW, and much new.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Jun 30th, 2007 at 03:38:47 PM EST
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If this is gonna be a multi-parter, I'll need more pictures, and forward hints (e.g. say hint at RER in the second chapter).

Hm-mmm... or maybe drop the mixed systems after 'basic' systems order. What about this division:

  1. General intro, stopping trains (c. 1500 words)
  2. Common ntro, rapid transit, heavy metro, RER (c. 2100 words)
  3. Common intro, light rail, light metro, tram-train, conclusion (c. 2200 words)

The current diary is about 5000 words. Would part length maximum of 2200 words + 2-3 more image captions be right or still too long?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jun 30th, 2007 at 05:18:14 PM EST
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I'd say 1,000 to 1,500 is better for dKos ... which makes maybe 5 chapters:
  1. General intro, stopping trains (c. 1500 words)
  2. Common intro, rapid transit
  3. Common intro, heavy metro, RER
  4. Common intro, light rail
  5. Common intro, light metro, tram-train, conclusion

I can get online pictures of some Aussie trains for stopping trains, one of rapid transit or RER when I figure out which one the main Sydney system is, and light rail from Melbourne.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Jun 30th, 2007 at 05:36:48 PM EST
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OK, I'll do that, the rest in email.

Regarding Sydney CityRail, I'd vote for rapid transit, if for no better reason than that AFAIK there is no subway network it could relate to as express metro -- but indeed it's difficult to get clever of the terminology...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 06:37:30 AM EST
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The City Circle is underground, in a loop entering at Central Station and running around Town Hall, Wynyard, becoming an EL at Circular Quay, then going underground again to St. James and Museum, and all of the main suburban lines in the city either run through the City Circle, or part of it. The Airport line also runs underground for four stations, including two suburban stations and the two airport stations (domestic and international terminals).

So while its mostly at ground level with the occasional dive or overpass, it is only the interurban and country trains terminating at Central that avoid going underground altogether.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 10:37:19 AM EST
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When I am clear of current commitments I will have to post some info (even pictures) on Finnish metropolitan transport.

The Metro is to be extended. We have new trams. The taxis are (almost) all computerized and are mostly equipped with navigation systems. We have some buses running on natural gas. The trains run on time, and in Helsinki you can pay for all sorts of transport with your mobile. Good grief, you can even pay for that wash for your evil car with your mobile.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 30th, 2007 at 01:47:15 PM EST
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I would say it makes a great mini series.

I honestly think that you have 4-8 diaries here.

And overview diary, plus followups explaining 1-2 of the seven layers in detail.

Madrid has a pretty good example of layered transportation.  

I took a bus from Pamplona to Madrid to see a friend.  It really sort of freaked me out when the bus started going down this ramp in the middle of the street, and then we go through through this catacomb of cercanias (regional trains), metro, and outright bus station.  So I end my bus trip at the Avenida de America bus station, something like 20 meters underground.  It was like nothing I had ever seen before.

Trains, subways, and buses all coming in to this station at different levels.  

I have to say that I was far more fond of Barcelona than Madrid.  In Madrid I could never tell where the hell I was.  My friend showed me around.  One moment, we're in Sol, down to the metro, Atocha, down to the metro, Nuevos Ministerios.

And Madrid just seemed to lack the organic feeling of a city that Barcelona has. The architecture felt like something out of the Planet of the Apes.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Jun 30th, 2007 at 03:02:28 PM EST
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Tangara (a phrase from an Aboriginal nation for "to go"), for a long time the backbone of the Sydney rapid transit fleet:

The M-set, or "Millenium train" .. often called Millenium bug online, in honor of early teething problems.

C-class Melbourne Tram:


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 08:48:12 PM EST
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This is really great.  Very interesting.  Makes me want to get big handfuls of tickets and go roaming.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Mon Jul 2nd, 2007 at 05:21:21 PM EST
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