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Excellent comment! Railways in Japan is a world unto itself, it's why I wrote that RER line A is the busiest non-Japanese line.

Once I post the second episode on dKos (rapid transit), would you repost this as comment there, then maybe with pictures?

Also, for a later episode, do you know something about Japanese trams and their development? I know woefully little, I know more about trams exported to the USA than those running in the home country...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 06:02:22 AM EST
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I'm perfectly willing to believe that the RER A line is one of the busiest lines in the world, but I'm surprised that no Moscow line (especially the circle line) makes it in the busiest lines (Japanese included).

I've always been amazed by the efficiency of the Moscow metro - there are trains every 2 minutes most of the day (which means that you never wait) - and they're pretty much always full. And it's stunningly beautiful and clean too.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 11:01:41 AM EST
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Could be I was wrong, I have to check this again, but off the top of my head, 1) no proper metro runs 200+m long double-deck trains, though with people standing it is more dense 2) Moscow Metro is 2-3 billion/year and a dozen lines, so it seems similar capacity.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 02:13:39 PM EST
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Luzhkov has created a good city for the rich. The poor haven't been so lucky so far... Metropoliten (in Moscow) vividly reminds of Wells's War of the Worlds where the gloomy evil morlocks are fighting for their survival while the pretty citizens of the upper world are entertaining themselves on presentations and parties
by Andrei Baranov

Moskovskie Novosti #25/2007
(my translation)

by lana on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 03:34:29 PM EST
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The Morlocks lure the nice people down below to eat them. When comes the metro revolution? ;-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 04:22:02 PM EST
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Ah, Russian Wiki for help. A bit difficult to compare weekday ridership and yearly ridership, but the 272.8 million for the RATP section of RER A converts to an average 747,400/day, so RER A probably beats Moscow Metro lines 5 (832,862/weekday) and 3 (800,504/weekday), but not lines 1, 2, 6, 7 (most busy with 1,449,222/weekday), and 9. Based on numbers I have, there are six Japanese railway lines busier than Moscow Metro line 7.

I'll modify the text to exclude subways.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 04:19:44 PM EST
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I'd be happy to, providing the timing works out.  As far as photos go . . . erm . . . I've STILL never figured out how to post photos properly

Aside from surface rail like the Yamanote (which I'm gathering would be called Heavy Metro - I think the cars and track are more or less JR standard), and the subway, there is one monorail line in Tokyo (which makes a short run from a Yamanote line station to Haneda airport, Tokyo's domestic hub), and there are several streetcar lines.

Streetcars are a holdover from the days of yore, and are enjoying something of a revival recently.  In fact, an old line was just re-opened last year.  The cars are really quite small, no longer than your average bus, and some of them are REALLY old - warped wooden floors and railing in places attest to the age.  I've ridden these a few times in Tokyo, and they seemed quite popular - standing room only every time, which admittedly was not hard given the small car size.  I've also ridden streetcars in Kagoshima and Kumamoto, both of which also continue to operate legacy lines from the early or mid 20th century.  

by Zwackus on Sun Jul 1st, 2007 at 06:59:07 PM EST
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providing the timing works out

As things stand, the first diary will be up probably on Tuesday, so the rapid transit one on thirsday or Friday.

I've STILL never figured out how to post photos properly

Do you need any help beyond the New User Guide?

Yamanote (which I'm gathering would be called Heavy Metro

Well, categories are blurred... With lots of standing space and an elevated line, it really looks more like a (heavy) metro, but being JR standard and being part of JR East, and not being considered part of the subway network (which is heavy metro), I'd say let's stay with 'rapid transit'. By the way, here is a 2004 list of Japanese (or just Tokyo?) rail lines with weekday ridership over one million, you see that suburban rapid transit beats subways:

  1. JR East Tokaido 3,727,115
  2. JR East Yamanote 3,545,764
  3. JR East Utsunomiya 3,274,279
  4. JR East Chuo 3,144,205
  5. Odakyu Odawara/Enoshima 1,814,000
  6. JR East Sobu 1,712,764
  7. Keio Hon 1,286,966
  8. JR East Joban 1,231,707
  9. Tokyo Metro Tozai 1,211,718
  10. JR East Sobu rapid 1,122,271
  11. Tokyu Denentoshi 1,107,570
  12. Keikyu Hon 1,103,308
  13. Tokyu Toyoko 1,069,856
  14. Tokyo Metro Marunouchi 1,064,464
  15. Tokyo Metro Hibiya 1,054,272
  16. Tokyo Metro Chiyoda line 1,050,804
  17. Tokyo Metro Ginza line 1,002,932

Streetcars are a holdover from the days of yore, and are enjoying something of a revival recently.

So not many late-seventies-to-present modern trams in Tokyo, then? Maybe in other Japanese cities?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jul 2nd, 2007 at 03:23:35 AM EST
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suburban rapid transit beats subways

A note here. The ridership of a line is a rather loose measure of traffic density. traffic volume (in passenger-kilometres) per line length would be more like it if you want averages, or numbers for individual stations to get the maximum. But the picture with those measures is not that different when comparing similar type lines.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jul 2nd, 2007 at 03:28:13 AM EST
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