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It appears you care mainly about disclaiming -falsely- arguments made here and not about Roma rights. For that reason I will prove you wrong here and will not return to any future comments from you.

What you point to is a pre-electoral visit of Anoihti Poli to the settlements. They made all kind of promises but once elected they did not move a finger on this issue. The after the recent major eviction they were asked to contribute decisively on the basis of their pledges but did not bother to visit the Roma evicted or threatened by eviction, and also after asking me to go to the City Hall on Monday to address the City Council on their behalf which I did they swallowed their tongue and did not ask that I was given the floor even after the Mayor called me a lier. And since then they have not been heard from.

Also I challenge you to belie both me and the Mayor who said that the area where the eviction took place was municipal and Vovos went there to help the Mayor remove the (human) garbage; and prove your point that it is owned by Vovos. In doing so go to the 27 April papers to read the announcement that the Mayor signed the papers transferring the ownership from the Bank to the City.  

People say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing; they give me all kinds of warnings to save me from ruin; when I say I'm o.k. they look at me kind of strange; Lennon

by Greek Helsinki Monitor (office@greekhelsinki.gr) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 12:42:37 PM EST
It appears you care mainly about disclaiming -falsely- arguments made here and not about Roma rights

It appears that you lack basic comprehension skills, but never mind - the work you are doing right now is indeed more important an issue than your civility and tendency to attack, out of the blue, people who merely asked a couple of honest questions. This is a discussion not a sparring match.

Yet: If you do know for a fact that the area is owned by the City, you are most probably right. I only repeated what I heard - which made some sense because otherwise what was Vovos crews doing helping clean an area that Vovos doesn't own (that's why I said I was almost certain). I stand corrected on this issue, then. I also have some sincere questions about Anoixti Poli, but since anything I say might be misread as some sort of pushing an agenda (a Greek political agenda in a forum where very few Greeks participate at that), I'll pass for now.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 04:31:23 PM EST
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It would indeed be advisable if people stopped issuing direct negative comments towards others here, be it lack of compassion or basic reading comprehension.

What would be more important to know is what action we could take, major league or not, but Greek Helsinki Monitor has apparently not taken talos's upthread question in this direction at face value.

Does GHM maybe plan a sitting blockade or some other form of active protest? That may be something that could be suggested to talos, AFAIK a resident of Athens. Also AFAIK he is no political operative, so regarding inaction by the local hard left, I don't see how he could do something above it beyond writing a letter. As for the rest of us, what help could we give you beyond writing letters?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 03:41:30 AM EST
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I also believe we have to leave aside personal negative comments that arise usually from mis-reading or mis-interpreting the written word. Not because of malicious reasons but because of language differences. I experience this quite often when an innocent comment is totally misunderstood because of subtle cultural and linguistic difference. Let's not let those issues cloud the real issue here. What action can people here in Greece or abroad who are sympathetic to the issue actually take apart from letter writing?

Any ideas ? Spreading the word as far and wide as possible to bring pressure on the 'powers that be" is all I can suggest at the moment. These are my first baby steps into activism of this type so I would appreciate ANY ideas and insights from those who know better.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing

by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 05:07:44 AM EST
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I agree, and I apologize if anything I have said has contributed to this extended misunderstanding. I also would like to hear from the people intimately involved what we, either as EU citizens or Greek citizens, can concretely do to help.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 06:53:33 AM EST
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Apparently nothing anymore:

From Panayote Dimitras of GHM:

This morning the police went there again (Votanikos) and evicted the remaining Roma from 120 Iera Odos old factory. They are now out on the streets and asking us desperately where they should go, to which we have no answer and no-one cares to help give them one.

This means they will lose faith in us as well.

The media have remained silent after their coverage of the first eviction.

What a pathetic country.

100 families with children and possible illness (they are not inoculated) are out there, homeless, in various quarters of Athens.

I don't know what to say. We are too late in our action. The minute/minor action that it was. It is hard to think of all the children in my photos being let down yet again. And now, the final insult is that they are no longer a cohesive community to campaign for. Votanikos is no longer. I don't know what to say or do.......

Sorry is not enough.

Fuck.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 07:12:49 AM EST
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I hope this is not the end of the campaign to help the families who used to live at Votanikos....

I have no words right now....


The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing

by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 11:54:30 AM EST
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One thing I couldn't follow in the reporting: are there still families at the original place, for whom GHM still could fight legally, or were those evicted, too?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 01:31:20 PM EST
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Everyone has been evicted from Votanikos.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing
by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Tue Jun 12th, 2007 at 05:48:52 AM EST
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Where have they gone?
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Jun 12th, 2007 at 01:24:31 PM EST
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I will be going later in the week to see if we can find out where they are and to document the conditions there. There are some ideas for action and we are waiting to see if any of the "powers that be" will support them. I will update here at ET as soon as I have more details. Thank you to all of you who have shown an interest in this appalling situation which has had little or no coverage until very recently.

The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing
by deviousdiva (thedeviousdiva@gmail.com) on Wed Jun 13th, 2007 at 06:17:36 AM EST
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