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Steve Clemons, in his rather excellent liveblogging of the Dem debate, noted the following:
Anderson Cooper just asked whether anyone noticed that John Edwards keeps calling Senator Clinton, "Hillary" rather than the former. I noticed, and found it odd -- but smart. Too much respect of each other is not a winning style. He's putting her down in a pleasant way. But she's not letting him get an inch from her on that. Very interesting how the body language stuff matters on TV.

Hillary Clinton may have this problem because you can't just call her 'Clinton', like you can say 'Edwards' or 'Obama' (due to the public profile of her husband). But generally, I think that with female politicians we hear less of a dissonance when they are referred to by first name than with male politicians. Of course I might just be wildly generalising from my own biases here. And I don't know if it goes for all languages. I think that it is similar in France, as Royal was often referred to as Segolene or just Sego during the French campaign.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:50:32 AM EST
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Which I objected to, btw, as it's undoubtedly belittling. As I said here, we never heard talk of "Nicolas" or "Nico".

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:57:09 AM EST
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Jerome just argued that Sego v. Sarko was simply more sonorous, but that ignored that during the PS primary it was DSK, Fabius, Jospin, Hollande... and Sego.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:02:26 AM EST
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No Domino, Lolo, Liono, or... Monsieur Ségo... ;)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:05:51 AM EST
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I think that goes a long way towards explaining voter perceptions that Sego was "not serious". The "oui" would have won in France in a landslide had the rebel faction of the PS been led by "Lolo".

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:10:27 AM EST
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"Lolo" is quite precisely Fabius's nickname on the Guignols show. With fun-poking, satiric intention.

Dano, in the Télérama interview, says this of the de-credibilisation of Royal:

Elle perd l'élection dès décembre-janvier, par ses erreurs certes, mais parce que Strauss-Kahn et Fabius avaient semé le doute sur ses compétences. Les journalistes et la droite n'avaient plus qu'à reprendre leurs accusations...

She lost the election in December-January, by her own mistakes certainly, but also because Strauss-Kahn and Fabius had introduced doubt about her competence. Then all the journalists and the right needed to do was repeat their accusations.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:22:12 AM EST
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that, to some extent, it happened because 'Ségolène' is rare enough to be able to identify her on its own (whereas Royal is precisely the opposite). Then the shortening to the two syllable word endingg in "o".

But there probably was an element of making her appear less serious. I know that it did not feel right writing about Ségo doing this or that when I wrote my diaries - so I used Royal.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:29:12 PM EST
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He's putting her down in a pleasant way.

Yes, that is exactly the point: we put women down in a pleasant way when we call them by their first name more often than we do men.

Even when I am calling people by their last name, I find that I am often inclined to call women by their full name (given name plus family name) rather than just their surname. In other words, surnames are assumed to refer to men unless qualified by the first name.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:59:59 AM EST
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