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Maybe there is more to his argument, but the logic expressed over renewables seems a bit odd. Surely if EDF is a government regulated monopoly, you could just regulate that 10% of new supply investments must be made in renewables?

I don't see that the market is the only way to get renewables going. But maybe I'm missing something.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 09:46:27 AM EST
That's how it looks to me, too. But I think he's trying to reconcile the anti-nuclearism of all the Greens (certainly German and French) with his pro-market views. "If you don't like nuclear, go with the market".

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:10:07 AM EST
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There are some greens who think that it is easier to regulate business than to change state-run companies, in general, from an environmental POV. Has to do with the political economy, or, alternatively, with the assumed-to-be-automatic higher efficiency of private companies. There may be something to that argument, I don't know.

But Daniel is too uncritical in praising the market economy. He should stress the necessity of regulation to bring the market to a positive outcome, as is the case with renewables in Germany (not to state that the general energy market in Germany is functioning well, it isn't).

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:20:28 AM EST
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Why is everyone talking about "Daniel" as if they had coffee with him every morning?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:23:26 AM EST
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Cohn-Bendit is just too complicated ;-P

Also, see DoDos point here.

Usually, I notice, I tend to do this with female politicians much quicker than with male politicians (something I think is also common in general discourse). Hidden gender bias, that.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:33:32 AM EST
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Steve Clemons, in his rather excellent liveblogging of the Dem debate, noted the following:
Anderson Cooper just asked whether anyone noticed that John Edwards keeps calling Senator Clinton, "Hillary" rather than the former. I noticed, and found it odd -- but smart. Too much respect of each other is not a winning style. He's putting her down in a pleasant way. But she's not letting him get an inch from her on that. Very interesting how the body language stuff matters on TV.

Hillary Clinton may have this problem because you can't just call her 'Clinton', like you can say 'Edwards' or 'Obama' (due to the public profile of her husband). But generally, I think that with female politicians we hear less of a dissonance when they are referred to by first name than with male politicians. Of course I might just be wildly generalising from my own biases here. And I don't know if it goes for all languages. I think that it is similar in France, as Royal was often referred to as Segolene or just Sego during the French campaign.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:50:32 AM EST
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Which I objected to, btw, as it's undoubtedly belittling. As I said here, we never heard talk of "Nicolas" or "Nico".

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:57:09 AM EST
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Jerome just argued that Sego v. Sarko was simply more sonorous, but that ignored that during the PS primary it was DSK, Fabius, Jospin, Hollande... and Sego.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:02:26 AM EST
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No Domino, Lolo, Liono, or... Monsieur Ségo... ;)

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:05:51 AM EST
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I think that goes a long way towards explaining voter perceptions that Sego was "not serious". The "oui" would have won in France in a landslide had the rebel faction of the PS been led by "Lolo".

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:10:27 AM EST
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"Lolo" is quite precisely Fabius's nickname on the Guignols show. With fun-poking, satiric intention.

Dano, in the Télérama interview, says this of the de-credibilisation of Royal:

Elle perd l'élection dès décembre-janvier, par ses erreurs certes, mais parce que Strauss-Kahn et Fabius avaient semé le doute sur ses compétences. Les journalistes et la droite n'avaient plus qu'à reprendre leurs accusations...

She lost the election in December-January, by her own mistakes certainly, but also because Strauss-Kahn and Fabius had introduced doubt about her competence. Then all the journalists and the right needed to do was repeat their accusations.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:22:12 AM EST
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that, to some extent, it happened because 'Ségolène' is rare enough to be able to identify her on its own (whereas Royal is precisely the opposite). Then the shortening to the two syllable word endingg in "o".

But there probably was an element of making her appear less serious. I know that it did not feel right writing about Ségo doing this or that when I wrote my diaries - so I used Royal.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 01:29:12 PM EST
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He's putting her down in a pleasant way.

Yes, that is exactly the point: we put women down in a pleasant way when we call them by their first name more often than we do men.

Even when I am calling people by their last name, I find that I am often inclined to call women by their full name (given name plus family name) rather than just their surname. In other words, surnames are assumed to refer to men unless qualified by the first name.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:59:59 AM EST
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I noticed when I was a young student that both students and teachers would address girls by their first name and boys by their last name, generally. Clearly a case of gender bias.

I tried to make a point about that early in the French presidential race (Segolene vs. Sarkozy) but I was rebuffed.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:56:39 AM EST
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Girls by first name and boys by family name was an out-and-out rule at my secondary school, and elsewhere in England. Don't know if that's changed.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:00:15 AM EST
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Well, it was the same in Spain in the 1980's though I wouldn't have called it a rule but rather a habit.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:05:30 AM EST
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Anyone know the origin or logic of it?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:12:39 AM EST
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Leftover from inheritance laws and social customs that the wife takes the husband's last name, I'd guess.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:19:07 AM EST
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It felt like military brutalisation to me at eleven or twelve. And that was part of the explanation we got: boys were meant to be soldiers, or at least should undergo a certain degree of military discipline. Character-forming and such.

Meanwhile, girls would become wives and mothers and were deserving of softer treatment.

Part of it was turning males into warriors (it was explained to us almost as a rite of passage, iirc, since now we were big lads and attitudes to us would become harsher), and the other part patronising females. Not taking them seriously, since the most they might be expected to do in the way of a profession was teach.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 11:29:57 AM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 7th, 2007 at 10:34:49 AM EST
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