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If basic Critical Thinking was used the water problems of the US are solvable.  Generally it involves charging people what the water is actually worth.  This runs into two major stumbling blocks: agriculture interests and most of the non-ag population of the arid West.  Both of these blocks have been heavily subsidized by cheap water and neither want to pay the actual cost.
by ATinNM on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 12:09:51 AM EST
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charging people what water is really worth?

without it we die -- so what is that worth?  a millionaire dying of thirst would pay a million dollars for a glass of water.

the problem I have with this "market based approach" is that it assumes that the value of water can be expressed in dollars, and that raising the price will fix the problem;  but all that raising the "price" does is increase the motivation for Enclosure and privatisation (more like piratisation) of water resources, and ensure that only the rich can afford an adequate supply.  cf Bechtel in Bolivia.

water is a global commons.  charging people "what water is worth" is what makes it possible for Coca Cola to steal water that farmers in Kerala need to grow their local crops, in order to sell a toxic "soft drink" to Americans half a world away.  Americans have more money, therefore they get the water, end of story.  potable water, and water clean enough for washing self and clothing, and water for gardening and subsistence livestock, should be a universal human right, not a priced commodity...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 03:00:18 AM EST
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The problem is that like other commons, water is perceived as nearly free and overused. As long as ownership of water recources remains public and a minimum ration is guaranteed (either through actual rationing or through rebates, or a minimum exempt from charging) there's nothing wrong with charging people a "market" price for water.

Assume for a moment there is actually not enough water for everyone. Then you have to allocate the water by triage. Or you can let people fight water wars. Or let the free market price them out.

In fact, there is enough water for everyone. Even if we had to get all our water from desalinisation of sea water we could do it, it would just be horrendously expensive. And water would have a price. Again, access to water would be guaranteed through redistributive policies.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 04:24:16 AM EST
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There is "enough" with redefining, perhaps, what is "enough" ... along with more serious efforts to use it more wisely/judiciously.  (The flushing of toilets using potable water ... growing rice and wheat in the desert using million-year acquifer water ... etc ...)

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by a siegel (siegeadATgmailIGNORETHISdotPLEASEcom) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 07:33:01 AM EST
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Golf courses in Spain and Arizona make me sick. They should be priced out of business. Trouble is, they have more money than people. So you have to make water really expensive and give people a free allowance.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 10:20:41 AM EST
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The problem is that like other commons, water is perceived as nearly free and overused. As long as ownership of water recources remains public and a minimum ration is guaranteed (either through actual rationing or through rebates, or a minimum exempt from charging) there's nothing wrong with charging people a "market" price for water.

Historically, that isn't what happens in Europe. Firstly there's no such thing as a market price because water companies are effectively monopolies. I'm not allowed to sell rainwater that falls on my house, or dig a well, because all of that water is owned by the local water utility. And there is no other water utility that I'm allowed to use.

Secondly during periods of drought European governments switch to rationing very quickly. In 1976 in some parts of the UK the mains were turned off, bowsers appeared in the streets, and people brought buckets. During an extended drought, people would soon get used to that. They might even get used to it permanently.

Almost everyone would rather put up with rationing than with being priced out of the market.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 11:51:22 AM EST
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Almost everyone would rather put up with rationing than with being priced out of the market.

People would, corporations wouldn't.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 12:04:08 PM EST
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I'm not allowed to sell rainwater that falls on my house ...

Are you allowed to collect it for your own use?

by ATinNM on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 09:42:22 PM EST
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but give everybody an equal quota, which they can use or sell. Thus everybody is equally "rich" to start with, is guaranteed access to water, and that wealth can be converted into monetary income for those that use little water, while allowing those that want to spend more money on water to do it.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 10:33:44 AM EST
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Water credits, carbon credits...

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 10:39:30 AM EST
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