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As one important example, photovoltaic cells have already shown >40% efficient conversion of solar energy to usable free energy, electric power, but "The highest yielding crops convert solar energy into plant material with an efficiency of 1-2%".

40% efficiency of conversion of solar energy into electricity is not the same thing as 40% efficiency of conversion of solar energy into photovoltaic cells.

And those biological systems are self-repairing, self-assembling and fully biodegradable.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 09:17:17 AM EST
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Oh, and the highest yielding photosynthesisers (not used for crops) have a yield of 5-6%

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 10:09:58 AM EST
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Thanks. The number that I found seemed lower than what I'd recalled. With achievable gains in PV efficiency, the gap is still a factor of ~10.

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by technopolitical on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 05:01:22 PM EST
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And those biological systems are self-repairing, self-assembling and fully biodegradable

plus, many of them are edible and nutritious -- which is more than I can say for a milliamphour of solar power.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 03:51:11 PM EST
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Yes, and this is an illustration of a broader point: Efficiency comparisons aren't much use when products are radically different. For an example on complementary side of this, I don't think that a vegetable garden is likely to grow me an internet connection.

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by technopolitical on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 06:13:01 PM EST
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[I like the 'athorists' quip btw]

and that leads us to the next question:  which is more important, eating, or having an internet connection / iPod / private auto / whatever ?

we are now faced with the question:  which of these luxury lifestyle accessories is compatible with a decent diet for everyone?  which of them is even compatible with a decent diet for the affluent elite nations?  our appetite for toys and profit has now collided with our appetite for food...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 at 04:32:42 PM EST
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"40% efficiency of conversion of solar energy into electricity is not the same thing as 40% efficiency of conversion of solar energy into photovoltaic cells."

Indeed, but 5% seems more than reasonable, calculating efficiency relative to the thermodynamic minimum for the required transformation of raw materials. This is good enough to be attractive:
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In the context of achievable systems, assume

  • A low value for the mean output power density (1e2 W/m2, already achieved)

  • A high value for the PV cell areal mass density (3e-2 kg/m2, considerably more than some existing multi-junction thin-film cells), and

  • A high value for the energy required per unit mass of cell produced (3e8 J/kg, 10 times the heat of combustion of carbon -- this is motivated by the assumption of oxide starting materials and bad thermodynamic efficiency, ~10%).

The energy payback time with these assumptions is ~1e7 seconds, which is about 4 months. (Yes, this is lot better than what has been achieved with today's lamentably crude methods.)
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"And those biological systems are self-repairing, self-assembling and fully biodegradable."

These are nice properties, but I'd settle for (other means of) low-cost production and maintenance, together with full recyclability.

One must also consider the environmental advantages of consuming no water and only 1/10 as much land area fore equivalent energy production. Replacing total human power consumption, ~ 14e12 W, would require only 0.03% of Earth's surface area. Picture sparse arrays in selected, scattered patches of desert.

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by technopolitical on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 06:05:20 PM EST
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