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The way I see it, energy is pretty much the master resource. If yoou don't have it, none of the other resources (fresh water, arable land, iron ore, skilled workers etc) will be of any use. On top of that, energy can, if not entirely then at least to a high degree, substitute lack of other resources. If you lack fresh water, add energy to sea water and you get it, if you lack hordes of skilled farmers add energy and farming machinery and so on.

Energy is the big thing. The others can be dealt with if we have enough energy. And then I believe it pays to look at one of the most important graphs from M.K. Hubberts groundbreaking 1956 paper.



Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 07:05:06 AM EST
if you lack arable hectarage and healthy topsoil, just add energy and...?

c'mon Starvid, you can't eat a kilowatt.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 03:50:47 PM EST
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Conceivably one could just recycle excrement and CO2, add energy, and get a nutrition pill.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 04:00:04 PM EST
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only if you're a C19 chemical reductionist who discounts all the living components of food (enzymes, bacteria, amino acids etc).  recent nutritional research is, unsurprisingly, revealing a far more complex picture than the old C19 "minimum daily allowance".

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 04:20:22 PM EST
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How about using bacteria to grow food on a petri dish?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 9th, 2007 at 04:33:15 PM EST
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Nope, because you get a biomagnification of toxins and heavy metals every time you recycle it. If you manage to separate it in an efficient way, you have a prize to collect in Stockholm.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 08:03:03 AM EST
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Obviously, if people feel like radically ruining the topsoil, there isn't much to do about that. But that is not strictly needed, even in modern farming.

And arable land will be provided by global warming. Not that more is needed as the planet can feed us all. We don't have starvation in [insert name here] because we can't produce enough food.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Jun 10th, 2007 at 08:00:52 AM EST
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