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You know, from what I know about nuclear physics I don't see any reason why secrecy is needed.

On the other hand, I do not trust for-profit corporations or the military to tell me the truth, no.

the rule of the people, oops, democracy, would not permit it to go forward

Let me remind you of something...

El Pais: Zorita demands another [nuclear power] plant (30-04-2006)
The mayor and a majority of residents of  Almonacid [de Zorita, site of the Zorita nuclear power plant] demand another plant in place of the one being closed today

Spain is closing its first nuclear power plant at 23.30 today in a programmed way. The José Cabrera plant, better known as Zorita, opened 38 years ago in what was then a destitute comarca [county], ends its life two years ahead of schedule. he closure, decided in 2001 by the PP government , comes in the midst of a debate on the future of atomic power. Sheltered by climate changge, defenders of nuclear [power plants] have launched a worldwide offensive as Oil prices set new records. Among them [defenders] is the majority of the  800 inhabitants of Almonacid de Zorita, a village depending almost exclusively on the plant. They demand anoter power plant.

Conclusion: NIMBY is bullshit, people get used to whatever they live with, be it wind farms or nuclear plants.



Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 04:50:11 AM EST
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Unfortunately, that only proves that 800 people who have only had a hammer for 38 years, would rather have a nail than learn to use a screwdriver.

Neither the government, nor the industry, nor them have planned or adapted to the reality of "change".  That is not about democracy.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 07:21:11 AM EST
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How about the mining comarcas of Asturias? (10 thousand miners, maybe 100 thousand people dependent on mining) When they demand that their industry be subsidised, is that democracy? It is hammers and nails? Is it powerless people being fed by an industrial juggernaut and who have forgotten how to be free?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 07:47:56 AM EST
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Yes, there are thousands of cases of industry that does no future context-planning and enslaves millions of people into dead-end lives.  Sadly, the "victims" also have a responsability for allowing it by sticking their heads in the sand.  They did not forget, they never bothered to learn the duties of being free and democratic.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 08:56:30 AM EST
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You know, from what I know about nuclear physics I don't see any reason why secrecy is needed.

well.... that's reassuring!

i'd be more receptive if you had experience in evacuating millions at short notice, providing emergency supplies, and calming public panic in the wake of another chernobyl.

oh yeah, and since we were talking externalities and quantification, i bet no-one spends more analysing and crunching demographics and geography than insurance companies....you know where i'm going with this...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 10:04:02 PM EST
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Citizens of Stade and Obrigheim were happier, while citizens near other plants (say the two near Hamburg I diarised recently) sued for plant closures. Meanwhile, it also happened that people living around US bases were against them closing. When dependence builds...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 04:47:20 AM EST
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On the other hand, I do not trust for-profit corporations or the military to tell me the truth, no.

Assuming for a moment that we can have non-privately-run nuclear plants without any military (or other hierarchical security organisation) involvement, what about a for-continued-self-existence state company/bureaucracy?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 05:05:11 AM EST
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DoDo, a power company is, structurally, a "for-continued-self-existence" entity (i.e. we need power 24/7 and most likely will for the foreseeable future). Why should that be a problem per se?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 10:28:39 AM EST
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Name a not-for-continued-self-existence entity.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 10:30:34 AM EST
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