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Just like Saddam choose his faith when he dumped the Iraqi dollar reserves, so did Amahdinejad.

Iran's Oil cycle is terminal, in ten years the country will be stop exporting the stuff. Natural Gas reserves are huge (at least on the paper) but difficult to transport to North America. Access to the Caucasus is already guaranteed with the invasion of Afghanistan.

The dollar is the only reason left for a US led attack (or any other kind of aggression against Iran). The proof was the closure of the M3 publication days before the Iran Oil bourse was set to open. Up to now this bourse is yet to materialize, but Iran is already demanding non-dollar currency against its Oil.

Why were France and Germany against the invasion of Iraq from the very beginning? And why did the UK actively participated?

Back to the war, we might not get one. It is too dangerous to have another war in the Gulf right now with circa 16 million barrels of oil a day flowing through (and let's not forget about solidarity from other OPEC members). And the US might meet its ends without war anyway, by conducting a serious embargo or by rocking down the Iranian regime.


Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 12:57:51 PM EST
Iran's Oil cycle is terminal, in ten years the country will be stop exporting the stuff.

All the more reason to use their oil revenue over the next 10 years for developing an alternative energy infrastructure.

Instead, they'll probably get "regime change", the oil siphoned off to the US, and no development of alternatives, and then 10 years from now they'll be left to rot.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 01:03:44 PM EST
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All the more reason to use their oil revenue over the next 10 years for developing an alternative energy infrastructure.

Exactly. Most people ignore this fact.

It is also important to note that Nuclear and Natural Gas are not exactly interchangeable sources of electricity. This later is used to guarantee base-load capacity while the former to accommodate intraday demand variations.

Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 01:14:45 PM EST
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Isn't it the other way around? Nuclear for baseload and gas for intraday variations?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 01:22:19 PM EST
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Sorry for that, you're right. Writing in foreign languages at light speed is indeed dangerous.

Vencit omnia veritas.
by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:10:36 AM EST
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As a relative newcomer to ET - and I for one welcome your active participation - you probably are unaware of some of the discussion on ET on the subject of that almost mythical beast - the "Iranian Oil Bourse" - and the related subject of oil, euro's, the dollar and so on.

This interview in Energy Bulletin

Iran Oil Bourse Interview

sets out the facts quite well.

My take on it is that oil is a relatively small, but growing, part of Dollar denominated trade, and that the willingness of China and other mercantile creditors of the US to hold dollar reserves has been infinitely more important to the dollar than the pricing of oil in $.

Having said that, the Chinese etc therefore have every reason to manage the decline of the $ as carefully as possible.

However, I believe that a crisis in the world financial system is approaching, if not already begun, in which the Dollar/ Oil relationship is key.

For what it's worth, "Asia Times" published my views on possible future architectures of markets here

Price $ in Oil, not Oil in $

So, while I cannot pretend to any knowledge of the US motives for invading Iraq, other than my personal conviction that it was in search of private profit, I can say - because the IOB was my idea in the first place - that its genesis (and the entrenched, and continuing, resistance of the Iranian Oil Ministry to the IOB ever since) had nothing whatever to do with the pricing of oil in the $ or any other currency.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 04:21:54 PM EST
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If I recall correctly the idea of an Oil Burse in Iran was put up still in the Katami days. By itself the bourse was not a menace or nothing of notable at the time.

It was only during the Amahdinejad days that the bourse took its currency role, when it was made clear that the US$ would be left out. Later the media ventilated straightforward declarations from the Iranian Oil ministry that the bourse was an attack on the greenback. This was reported on the Teheran Times (again from memory) it was then deleted from their servers and some time later it was denied by the Iranian government.

Every day more than 40 million barrels of oil are traded internationally. At 80 dollars per barrels that equates to more than 3 billion (3x10e9) changing hands every day. On the course of a year that will go over 1 trillion dollars (1x10e12).

To get a better grasp of what this means, think that China's $ reserves can buy all the oil traded internationally during a year.

The trade of Oil in $ is the primary reason for non-US central banks to build $ reserves. This is clear when you take into account the amount of currency needed in the trade every day. Naturally when the dollar became the de facto world currency things got a different aspect, but Oil is the root of it.

What you have to understand is this, to keep US economy running with the current trade deficit the country had to export debt at a hallucinating pace. The amount of foreign currency reserves kept around the world has been growing 20% per year (doubling every 2/3 years). If that growth rate eases by any reason, it's farewell to the greenback.


Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:07:34 AM EST
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OPEC has been actively considering pricing oil in Euro's ever since Euro's were created, and I would imagine that this is moving further up their Agenda at every meeting.

And I can tell you from the inside that not a word has ever been spoken about trading crude oil on the "Iranian Oil Bourse" in dollars or anything else because the Iranian Oil Ministry has never had the least intention of allowing crude oil to be traded on this "IOB" or anywhere else.

We had a 2 hour meeting with Kazempour Ardebili (20 years the Iranian OPEC rep) who made that quite clear.

Oil products, such as bitumen and petrochemicals, are the only likely candidates for trading on the exchange, which will be a sub-division of the Tehran Commodities Exchange (due to be launched tomorrow, I understand) and which combines two existing minor Tehran exchanges, in Metals and Agricultural products.

We met Khatami in late 2005, and he put what was left of his authority behind the IOB project (it was conceived in 2001, but didn't get going until May 2004): it made no difference.

Subsequently, Ahmadinejad - who we know was very much behind the project - was never able to appoint a non-insider as Oil Minister. He had 3 goes and gave up.

The Dark Side won: you can forget transparency in Iranian oil any time soon.

So much for the IOB: the amount of dollars physically needed for oil purchases is de minimis: it's not even a pimple on the backside of the $ FX marketwhich turns over trillions per day.

The whole thesis of the Saddam/IOB oil in Euro's conspiracy theory is and always has been completely misguided.

Having said that, the unsustainability of US fiscal and trade policy is not in doubt. There is a crisis coming, and oil will indeed be at the heart of it simply because oil sellers will no longer be using dollar proceeds to buy dollar assets (I mean liabilities...)

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 03:17:55 PM EST
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