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By the way, if the U.S. was trying to incite the Iraq Shia, then why were they providing support to Hussein in his war against Iran?

We're talking about the Shia uprising of 1991, which was encouraged by the US in the aftermath of the liberation of Kuwait by Bush the 1st, but then US then figured they preferred Hussein in power to a Shia regime and let Saddam brutally suppress the uprising.

Which, apparently, goes a long way towards explaining why the Iraqi Shia don't much like the US, even if they removed Saddam.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 06:11:51 PM EST
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Point taken. It also points out the ever changing ebbs and flows of this Muslim region and simplistic solutions like bringing Jeffersonian democracy to any of these countries is plain ignorant.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 07:20:54 PM EST
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Jeffersonian democracy in the US would be no bad thing, though.....

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 07:54:42 PM EST
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Actually, Iran's system is a pretty good example of "Islamic democracy". if you remove the closed loop of power. But I suspect that only works when you have a more culturally homogeneous country than Iraq.

Do you think Lebanon's sectarian system is an acceptable democratic arrangement? It might be the only way to get disparate communities to share a single state. It worked pretty well until the Israel/Palestine conflict spilled over.

Northern Ireland's political system is also sectarian in ways that make me very uncomfortable and lead to political gridlock, but again it may be a necessity.

And then there's the Low Countries' now obsolete pillarisation.

So, yes, why export Jeffersonian Democracy? The principle of self-rule and self-determination is an entirely different beast.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 05:23:13 AM EST
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