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The next (scheduled) election for the House of Representatives is in 2009, right?
That's two years away; so Abe still has some time for a course correction.
Nevertheless, his response thus far seems to be of the Bush variety (that is, "I'm right; the voters are wrong"); if he insists on going forward with an agenda the electorate clearly has rejected, I reckon things will get as bloody for the LDP in the lower house as it was in the upper house this past Sunday...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 06:09:54 AM EST
Of course, the LDP can try to pull off what the UMP has done in France : have a rising star lead it to the 2009 elections, claiming he'll be breaking away from his party's traditions.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 06:34:36 AM EST
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Though that would require Abe to step aside for the good of his party, and what little I know of the guy, he doesn't seem to be the type...an in-party revolt or attempt to ouster Abe could potentially cripple the LDP for the campaign season.
Without claiming any sort of expertise in the dynamics of Japanese politics, it seems to me the LDP lives or dies with the actions of Abe.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 06:40:43 AM EST
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That keeps getting mentioned in the US too, for the Republican Party, but I just don't see it.

Sarko is an historical accident imho, it is very very difficult to stay within the bounds of acceptible of the many constituent groups on the right while at the same time having the bona fides of a true outsider for very long. Eventually, the stench of association with those constituent groups, which by dint of being on the right are almost necessarily associated with the neo-liberal establishment (or pariahs, like the FN) rubs off on the erstwhile outsider, who no longer remains an outsider. Witness John McCain.

If they stay outside the neo-liberal establishment mainstream, they usually crash and burn brightly, like Boulanger, largely because they are outside that establishment and therefore are not sustainable for any period of time. Vox populi can be duped for awhile, but it takes money, resources and control of the means of communications to keep them duped for any length beyond a political season or two.

I think the Sarko phenomenon is a fluke; it takes a very improbably peculiar personality to pull that off, which he undoubtedly has a little bit of. I'm guessing it will wear off - either he does become associated with the corrupt establishment currently pushing neo-liberalism in France and by consequence falls in the eyes of vox populi, or he maintains his indepedance and eventually loses the establishment. (Seeing his strike proposals makes it appear as though he has in fact chosen sides...)

by redstar on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 09:37:11 AM EST
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I'm not sure Sarkozy ever had the bonafides of a true outsider - he only had the media appearence. Bayrou had it, Royal almost had it too. Neither were actually outsiders. Duping the vox populi is done with the media (which he has in his pockets) ; the establishement never saw Sarkozy as an outsider (can the mayor of Neuilly be an outsider, anyway ?).

Don't forget that a large share of the French establishement haven't got many problems with the far right ; Pasqua was mayor of Neuilly before Sarkozy.


Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 10:13:36 AM EST
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He might not really have this bona fides properly, but he is seen to have it by a large segment of the voting public, I'm thinking older and especially among the same type of indépendants/forains/artisans et c. who'd been drawn to Le Pen and who would have, had it been a different candidate than Sarko for the UMP, stuck with him this time around.

I know anecdotally that in my family circle just about everyone was taken in. Even longtime left voters, for example, the father of the one who did my procuration, whose father had been long-time socialist mayor of a small town between Marseille and Toulon, voted something other than PS for the first time in his life - detests the FN, profession liberale (medicin) and all that.  Ditto my wife's family, in fact, I remember having a convo with her mother just before the 2nd round where she's asking me what's wrong with Sarko, so I go down the list, and finally I get to who he would name as PM, and that seemed to have worked but I imagine she turned in the same ballot anyway. Sarko yes, Fillon not so much, as the subsequent legislatives showed.

My point is that, given where he is going fiscally and legislatively, he's going to lose a lot of these people, probably the same who didn't think much of what Borloo was leaking, because his bona fides as an outsider will be shown to have been utter bullshit. Enough people believed it the first time around but not the next time, five years is too long before the bullshit starts to smell.

by redstar on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 10:43:45 AM EST
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by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 10:55:38 AM EST
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Specifically, Newt Gingrich (shameless diary plug) seems to think a Sarkozyesque victory is possible for the Republicans.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 03:41:53 PM EST
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Yep, works just like history: first time as a tragedy, second time as a farce.
(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Wed Aug 1st, 2007 at 04:33:46 PM EST
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but it appears that he may have left abe with the bill.
by wu ming on Tue Jul 31st, 2007 at 11:01:01 AM EST
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The fact that Abe seems to be more openly rightist than Koizumi probably didn't help, either.

At least where I am, people seem so completely detached from politics that it takes something really visible to get their attention at all, and Abe's books (I think one of them was "To a Beautiful Country" or something along those lines, and from the reports I've heard it seems to be another tract on the uniqueness and superiority of the Japanese), and high-profile nationalist moves may just have done that.

Despite the high profile of the black-bus folk, they don't really seem to have all that much support.  Then again, ultra-nationalists probably wouldn't spend much time talking to me, so I may be entirely wrong on this point.

by Zwackus on Thu Aug 2nd, 2007 at 12:28:59 AM EST
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have a rising star lead it to the 2009 elections, claiming he'll be breaking away from his party's traditions.

What about someone with real outsider history? From what I know of him, Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara could be the ideal (hard-)right-wing candidate. Any recent news on his popularity?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Aug 1st, 2007 at 04:19:46 AM EST
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