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BTW - a side remark and a different discussion: the article demonstrates that in technical/technological matters academics/scientists are often vastly better in presenting a story to a literate (at least) audience than journalists. I'm not sure that there are many journalists who could retrieve, analyse and present the technical details of the wiretaps as clearly and efficiently as the the authors of the Spectrum article.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Wed Jul 4th, 2007 at 01:37:27 PM EST
True. But there aren't that many academics/scientists capable of it either...

It is a good article, right enough.

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jul 4th, 2007 at 04:45:21 PM EST
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And of course the $64,000 question.

Who was it?

And where else has it been going on?

I bet Vodaphone has been conducting a thorough review, and if they haven't, I should think Ericsson has.

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jul 4th, 2007 at 04:48:02 PM EST
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In Italy. Telecom. Sismi. The works.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Thu Jul 5th, 2007 at 04:49:06 PM EST
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Let me note here the great job that the IEEE Spectrum staff editors and graphic artists did with our submission.  Very few (if any) pieces of the original submitted article survived the editing process.  Through many iterations we had to explain every technical term in plain words, remove technical details that weren't needed, and guide the graphic artists to create the beautiful pictures you see in the article.
by dds (dds at aueb dot gr) on Sun Jul 8th, 2007 at 02:48:59 PM EST
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Welcome to ET, dds.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2007 at 02:58:53 PM EST
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Welcome and kudos for the article to all involved. Brilliant work.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2007 at 05:47:22 PM EST
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And since you're here, I wonder if you could elaborate on the following:

To piece together this story, we have pored through hundreds of pages of depositions, taken by the Greek parliamentary committee investigating the affair, obtained through a freedom of information request filed with the Greek Parliament

"Freedom of information request"? I wasn't aware we had such a thing. Does it apply only to parliamentary committees or does it apply to other government agencies? Is it mandatory that they provide the material, or is it  up to the parliament? Was the information classified before the request? Can one file such a request and expect to acquire information from other agencies and authorities i.e. ADAE or EYP (Greek Intelligence Service) or any ministry?

And another question: Were a similar break in to have occurred in other telephone providers (say Cosomote, or TIM) could all traces of it have been erased once the perpetrators knew that they have been exposed? I mean given that between the public announcement and the actual act there was a year's time, were someone to investigate the other providers for similar setups (as apparently was the case) would it be possible to trace the break months later, or could the perpetrators wipe out all incriminating evidence. That is: how certain can we be that the exact same thing didn't happen with other major providers in Greece but went unnoticed?

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun Jul 8th, 2007 at 06:11:20 PM EST
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"Freedom of information request"? I wasn't aware we had such a thing.

Yes, Greece has such legislation, since 1996.  Some time ago I added the details in the corresponding Wikipedia page. Unfortunately, public administration bodies are reluctant to embrace the spirit of this idea.  For instance, ADAE refused my request with a reply providing four different reasons why they couldn't grant it.  To me this means that their legal counsel drafted it under instructions to refuse the request.



Were a similar break in to have occurred in other telephone providers (say Cosomote, or TIM) could all traces of it have been erased once the perpetrators knew that they have been exposed?

An interesting idea.  It is plausible, but, I doubt that the same installation vector (insider, backdoor or security hole) could be replicated across all three operators.  I also think that if such a breakin were to occur in other providers we would find traces through the calls made to the shadow phones.  It is conceivable that a separate set of shadow phones were used for each provider, but the fact that the interceptors did not handle the shadow phones with the care they should tells me that if more shadow phones existed they would have been discovered.
by dds (dds at aueb dot gr) on Mon Jul 9th, 2007 at 03:48:02 AM EST
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