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I claim logistic growth does not describe destruction. You get overshoot and collapse when you couple the logistic equation with delayed feedback.
To be specific, the troubles we are in right now were perfectly plain by the 1970s.  We did not seek to switch out, even then:  We raced at the cliff.
Well, yes, I wonder if Dennis Meadows will live long enough to get the Nobel Prize in Economics for The Limits to Growth.

Anyway, can we agree that these logistic or predator-prey models approximately describe the way our civilisation currectly functions?

The questions are: how else could it function? [I still haven't seen a simple model of that, can you provide one? Use however many derivatives you like, and delayed feedback]; how do we get there from here?; how many people can be sustained?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 13th, 2007 at 06:11:42 AM EST
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You forgot the last question, though it might be implicit: how does the new system protect itself from change? One of the strengths of the existing system, from its point of view, is that it's very resistant to change because the short-term interests of many people depend on its not changing.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 13th, 2007 at 06:14:54 AM EST
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I think I have a partial idea of how to get there from here, though: guarantee everyone a living income (say, above relative poverty level: 60% of median). Rewards those who do work but let people not work if they don't feel like they need more income than the guaranteed minimum. Share work by limiting the working week. If the absolute living standard starts to sag, more people will be motivated to work to make up the difference. If anyone rants about the protestant work ethic, lock them in an insane asylum.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 13th, 2007 at 06:22:41 AM EST
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Oh, and tax wealth (property).

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 13th, 2007 at 06:23:15 AM EST
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