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The old "the movement doesn't exist now, therefore it will not in the future" is a pretty poor analysis and defeatist to boot. Remember the system only functions while everyone agrees to its rules, actively or passively. When the middle class is truly gutted, the anger is going to be physically expressed, and the masses need messages like the one Jerome is giving here. If, as Europeans, you automatically assume the worst of how that behavior will play out, then you're part of the problem, or worse, desire to see it. Leftist politics all around the world have had an all-consuming lack of long term perspective or long term goals for decades. Things looked just as bad for the right in the late 60's, yet with patience and perseverance, they beat back us peasant hordes.

until Sarkozy/Merkel

They didn't emerge out of thin air. They're as much a sign of the times as Bush is. Propaganda and control of information works on Europeans too, as all humans have their emotional weak points. The science of systematically exploiting them was derived early last century, and the public has not developed a powerful counter-measure since.

We used to know that, time to remember again.

My grandparents, from Milwaukee, used to read communist newspapers back in the early 20th century. The US has the same legacy. Please, please, please let go of these nationalist narratives.

By now, the potential of the internet for promoting mass interests should be plainly visible with what daily kos has done. Doesn't that give you some hope?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Aug 17th, 2007 at 05:25:04 PM EST
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Well said. We need to put the word out, if we don't, there is no hope of progress. Yes, "some seed will fall on stony ground," but if we don't try, what are we?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2007 at 05:37:42 PM EST
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This is all true, but we need a vision that's more substantial and inspiring than Rich People Suck.

The Left's enduring problem is positioning itself as being against something.

It needs to be for something to be successful. And that something has to be simple with a near-religious quality to it - something that's so 'obvious' that it appears self-evident and doesn't need to be parsed rationally or explained with lists, references and footnotes.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 17th, 2007 at 09:01:56 PM EST
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Think deeply about the words sustainable and renewable, and how wide a net they can cast into so many fundamental aspects of our potential social future.  Upon these rocks is the new world built.

Oh, and dancing all night.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 at 04:45:58 AM EST
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Dancing all night is good.  


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The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
W. Churchill
by US expat Ukraine on Sun Aug 19th, 2007 at 10:28:32 PM EST
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I think Helen caught that 'something' with the single phrase 'communitarian values'. In many ways the distinction between left and right --in particular in the U.S. -- breaks down along the same lines as individual vs. social. The reason for such a strong right wing tilt I suspect is the bias towards individualism in the American psyche that might in large part be driven by the excessive amount of physical space fate alloted to us over 200 years ago
( compared to the relatively cramped quarters a typical continental European must learn to live with). In the US, no such adjustments were necessary and we're paying the price.

Intellectually, as a culture we've bought into an  underlying individualistic/libertarian 'philosophy' built on certain insane ideas about individualism that are reflected in everything from our infrastructure( we're still building suburban sprawl and living in cities like LA with "no there there") to our ideas about taxes (from a social perspective most reasonable individuals understand the necessity of taxes; except, of course, in the U.S. where reasonable talk about taxes went out the window about the same time that Reagan came into office ) to the constant denigration of any mandated 'social' programs or nanny state regulations  that we try to reduce and eliminate as rapidly as possible. The fact that disasters --both physical and cultural--are the end result of this so called 'philosophy' is just now beginning to be understood (I hope).

The positive thing you want is the assertion--almost completely ignored or devalued in the US--that a 'we' transcends an 'I', that what makes the community stronger and better able to cope with crisis is also a benefit to the individual; and conversely, what makes the individual able to become strong and rooted is a  strong sense of responsibility to the community and vis versa.

I'll probably get in trouble for saying this, but I suspect years from now the kind of resource wasting, community destroying 'individualism' that's worshipped in the U.S. today will be looked upon with the same kind of anthropological awe that we feel when we gaze at the ancient Mayans who occasionally pierced their penises with threads and practiced ritual sacrifice to obscure gods with strange habits and names; an amazing culture, really, but, in many ways, gross and ultimately, self-defeating.

 

by delicatemonster (delicatemons@delicatemonster.com) on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 at 12:04:12 PM EST
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A clear insight and I hope with you/us.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 at 04:18:53 PM EST
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It would be a more valid criticism if Jerome's appeal hadn't been phrased in the present tense. To which I'd ask, "Where is this "left" that you're addressing ?".

You are entirely correct to hopee, as I do, that the internet democratisation project of which DailyKos is a significant part will inevitably bring about the creation of a genuine left, hopefully a liberal rather than marxist one, but a left nevertheless. I fondly imagine that Eurotrib may beome part of a similar process within the EU, although that is a longer project.

I usually describe the failure of left politics across the world in terms of the corrosive & distracting effect of Marxism rather than on short-termism, but we all have our opinions. I'm yours is at least as good as mine.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 at 05:45:23 AM EST
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