However it doesn't look like that from where I'm standing because I'm inside my subjective.
What is manifest love??
I was also assuming that objective means tangible, like stones or air, but can also mean idea, like capitalism, or love. How is a stone subjective, or its experience? Yes, it is only ever you, that feels that stone, but if you and I feel that stone, we might come to the same conclusion (or to a completely opposite one, but you might agree with fran on it) - so do you and fran then share a objective view, while I am excluded, or is only the summation of our three views/ experiences the real objective view. What happens if Jerome comes along and from our descriptions recreates a perfect copy of said stone, which would cause the same "feeling" within you and me but not fran?
What is manifest love? God.
Who said the subjectives were distinct from the objective? They're contained within it, necessarily.
Your last line is entirely free of meaning for me, by the way.
Your last line is entirely free of meaning for me, by the way
You are therefore also aware, that angels have only ever spun on top of needles in the spin created by people maligning Thomas Aquinas?
However, this is an important question, as to the distinction of the subjective and objective, and while I am prone to pilpul - splitting hairs (Which I prefere to dancing on needles) I really would like to know. So, all subjectives are contained within the objective? even those that contradict each other? Within an idea, I can understand, but within the "outside" world? Also how is your subjective experience contained in the stone? Also, are all subjectives accessible to everybody, by looking at that stone?
anyway (-: Maybe just point me to a book, ought to go back to work anyway...
So, all subjectives are contained within the objective? even those that contradict each other?
You can make up stories about it - first there are perceptions, then they organise themselves recursively so that the model includes itself - but you're in the world of metaphor, not of real science.
It would be ironic if subjectivity turned out to be metaphysical after all.
But - who knows?
the sensations of experiencing the stone are a good starting point for a conversation.
it's hilarious how people sometimes can't agree what colour something is!!
i think the stone wonders about us too... ~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
From deep inside the tears that I'm forced to cry From deep inside the pain that I chose to hide
Chorus 2: Just walk away, Renee You won't see me follow you back home Now, as the rain beats down upon my weary eyes, For me, it cries You can't be me, I'm taken
one of the awfullest songs from a terrible time.... ~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
Philosopher's Drinking Song
Python, Mighty
