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The questioning and interrogation of this story is laughable, particularly yours. It is also a way of avoiding your own hypocricy. Rather than dealing with how utterly hypocritical it is to save the lives of convicted killers yet treat fetuses as inanimate objects is inconsistent. So instead you create a diversion by trying to put holes in a very simple but true story including inventing the fact that you are an adoptive parent. I know other adoptive parents and they don't characterize their child as you did.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:20:55 AM EST
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I know other adoptive parents and they don't characterize their child as you did.

Again with presenting anecdotal evidence as fact. Sigh.

Try googling "child psychology adoption."

by iamcoyote (iamcoyote at gmail dot com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:50:44 AM EST
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That's enough calling iamcoyote a liar. You pour scorn on this "little community", yet the participants in this thread have not gone so far with you.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 10:55:39 AM EST
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No, it has been many of you people who have gone too far. Rather than address the issue you do your little gotcha google searches trying to unravel a true story, rather than face your own moral hypocrisy.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:04:50 AM EST
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If everyone will forgive one final comment...

BJ, you use the term "gotcha" to anyone who has presented evidence countering your claims. Does this mean you admit that you have been "gotten?"

Also, since I haven't stated my opinion on the issue at all (apologies again for being off topic), on what basis do you assume my "moral hypocrisy?"

by iamcoyote (iamcoyote at gmail dot com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:59:56 AM EST
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apologies again for being off topic

I dear say!

Otoh, considering the topic is really the death penalty you were by far not the first :-)

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 05:14:01 PM EST
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Go to the beginning and read my comment rather than read into it whatever you want to contrive. I said there is a hypocrisy between people who are against the death penalty but in favor of temination of fetuses. Conversely there is the same hypocrisy of people who salivate over executions and then cry over abortions. Instead of questioning whether a story is true or not (and it is very true) respond to the initial question and explain why you do not think it is morally hypocritical.

Like I said before I believe that one cannot morally take another's life unless that life is endangering yours.

by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 06:40:14 PM EST
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Thanks, afew, but actually, I only just stated that it was my conclusion he's lying. BJ has decided to use the "I know you are, but what am I" defense here; the standard evasion when caught. Now that the argument has become circular, I think I should bow out.

My apologies to everyone for the disruption - I've seen this pattern so many times, I just had to say something.

by iamcoyote (iamcoyote at gmail dot com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:05:26 AM EST
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No. The story is very real as is my son. The only corruption here is your moral compass which you are not insightful enough to face. So instead you attack the messenger. I don't find a shred of difference between the inane arguments of the far right and yours. None. And sorry but my son's story and his experiences are extremely real. There is just nothing to be gained by sharing anymore about him with people as morally dishonest as you are including making up a story that you are an adoptive parent.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:12:01 AM EST
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<sigh>

Troll-rated for the continued assertion that iamcoyote is  making up a story.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:16:40 AM EST
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People like you are a school of fish who have no original thoughts of your own. So instead defame well meaning people who disagree with you rather than confront your hypocrisy. Progressive thinking is about thinking outside the box. I have little use for people who are stuck on old arguments that have no validity and instead try to denigrate people.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:22:20 AM EST
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Progressive thinking is about thinking outside the box.

You started this discussion with:

Why do the very same people who passionately oppose the death penalty have no problem supporting the right of a woman to abort an unborn child for any reason and at any stage?

The conservative religious movement in America (and elsewhere) has been churning this line out for three decades now. It's interesting to see you consider it "progressive" and "outside the box".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:32:32 AM EST
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Wow. That's insightful. You came up with that all by yourself or did you look it up in your little book of "talking points." Try coming up with original thoughts of your own rather than repeating old lines.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 11:44:12 AM EST
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You came up with that all by yourself or did you look it up in your little book of "talking points." Try coming up with original thoughts of your own rather than repeating old lines.

Project much?

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by tzt (tztmail at gmail dot com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 12:15:09 PM EST
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