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Killing babies is your idea of a political viewpoint? Oris your view onyl as far as you can cut-and-paste from a political blog you agree with? I wouldn't classify you as a terribly deep thinker let alone terribly insightful.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 06:43:00 PM EST
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"Killing babies" is propaganda.  Abortion is not about "killing babies"  and no one here supports that, as you well know.  Do you believe there is any point at which a fetus or zygote can be expelled without it being "murder?"  Do you believe that women who take the pill are killing babies?

Do you believe in abortion for any reason?  Rape, incest, or to save to save a woman's life?

Also, quit being so rude and personally insulting.  It makes you look like an asshole and detracts from any point you may have.  Are you trying to discuss opposing points of view?  or merely pick fights?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 06:52:46 PM EST
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""Killing babies" is propaganda."  - - -  I will grant that it was a little over the top but so was the prior comment.

Expelling a fetus as you described it cannot be murder since it is lawful and for any reason. I do believe in extacting the fetus in those extreme cases such as rape, incest, and definately when it threatens the life of the mother.

The fundamental problem I have is how one regards that early life form. Proponents of a abortion do not regard that life form until it is at an advanced stage and close to full term and able to function if born premature. I would argue that the life form may not be fully formed but it is alive and rapidly developing. It does depend on the birth mother for life and could not survive if extracted too early.

Then how do you seperate an early fetus that is dependent on the birth mother for survivial and an adult who through some unfortunate accident requires life support systems to survive?

The rudeness is only there to answer rude and defamatory remarks.

by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 07:18:18 PM EST
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Okay, so apparently you do believe in abortion -- that it is sometimes necessary and not murder.  That only leaves the question of who gets to make these very personal, life and death decisions -- the government or the woman and her doctor?  

Personally, I trust women to make their own medical decisions.  Circumstantial legislation such as you seem to be advocating does nothing but ensure that women suffer and die needlessly.  It doesn't work.  

Everything you've been saying about abortion being in "vogue" and women going around having them "without remorse" is simply malicious propaganda that is completely beside the point and highly offensive, which is one of the reasons you've gotten the sort of response you have.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 08:59:43 PM EST
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"make their own medical decisions"  - - - only a small percentage of abortions are for reasons affecting the women's health, rape, or incest. Most are for reasons of inconvenience.

"Circumstantial legislation such as you seem to be advocating"  - - - actually I am not advocating any legal changes - only personal responsibility, better education, and better options.

by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 26th, 2007 at 09:59:39 PM EST
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I'm sure you're convinced YOU are a "deep thinker" - though there's no eveidence of it here.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 at 04:16:28 AM EST
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