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Times have changed here since and younger people have been raised differently and with more sense of responsibility regarding sexual acitivities and control.

I don't think the statistics of teenage sex, in the USA bear your argument out.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 12:35:01 PM EST
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The key word here is "responsibility" and support for that are the continuing declines in abortions.
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 12:46:55 PM EST
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But all the figures i've seen tend to show that the decline in abortions is mainly occurring in the areas of the states which are supposedly the least moral, and the teenage pregnancy and abortion rate is highest in the most religious areas.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 01:06:05 PM EST
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Let's hear it for Abstinence Only programs!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 01:07:44 PM EST
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Apparently teenage girls who signed so called "abstinence pledges" are far more likely to have oral or anal sex than their "slutty" non-pledgee sisters (source).  Oh well, back to the drawing board!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 01:30:11 PM EST
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I seem to remember seeing figures that there was no statistically significant difference in the incedence of STDs between people who had taken the abstinence pledge and those who hadn't as well.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 01:33:22 PM EST
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No-sex programs 'not working' says the BBC.

I'm not sure why the scare quotes are there. It's obvious that the programs that are 'not working' are really just not working.

There was a superb diary on dKos earlier in the year from a gynecologist explaining why he was happy to perform abortions. It was one of the clearest and most moving pro-abortion pieces I've ever read, and made the point that sometimes it's for very real health reasons - pregnancy can be fatal, after all - and sometimes for quality of life reasons.

I don't think abortion should be casual, but I think it should be available on demand.

And I'm always baffled by the clear association that seems to exist between those who want to 'defend life' before birth and then treat life with contempt after it.

I'm not suggesting BJG is in that group, but it's hard to ignore the correlation in much of the rest of the US.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 05:21:06 PM EST
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by william f harrison

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 24th, 2007 at 01:22:11 AM EST
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Well, this being the BBC they have to be clear even in headlines that they are quoting someone, and it's shorter than adding a "says ..." or "studies show". (Or even "area man".)

Looking at other posts in this thread, perhaps we could be calling them


  • "No"-sex programs

  • No-"sex" programs


etc.

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sapere aude
by Number 6 on Fri Aug 24th, 2007 at 05:20:57 AM EST
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Which just goes to show that the best way to reduce the number of abortions is sex ed in school and easy access to contraceptives (including the morning-after pill).

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 01:38:36 PM EST
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WHAT!!! then people might start having sex for fun, and outside marriage, and then, sin of sins women might actually enjoy it and that would never do. </snark>

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 01:47:59 PM EST
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I'd hate to make comparisons to female genital mutilation or forcing women to wear burkas (particularly as someone (no, not the ET member of the same name!) is bound to misunderstand what I'm saying), but ultimately it all boils down to the same kind of thinking, doesn't it?

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 01:53:07 PM EST
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Yes it does.

When Gudrun Schyman, party leader for the left party tried to express this in a speach 2002, it was instantly converted to "all men are taliban" in the media. So you are probably right in your parenthesis too.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 02:01:26 PM EST
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Well in any sane society if you had what was in effect a parasite growing inside you that had a chance of killing you during its attempts to exit your body, then it would be considered self defence.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 23rd, 2007 at 02:03:36 PM EST
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