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Far as I know Noel is spelt without the accent in English. English doesn't have any accents, so any word absorbed into the language has accents stripped from it.

We use context to separate Noel (name) from Noel (crimble greeting)

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:26:38 PM EST
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hmmm, how about the New Yorker magazine's spelling then?  cöoperate, etc.
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:30:21 PM EST
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They're probably having a bit of fun. Like metal bands who throw in a few dots purely for decorative purposes, like Mötley Crüe or Motörhead or Queensrÿche...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:33:32 PM EST
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no, they do it quite a bit, and they only do it with words that would really require it, like cooperate.  no other words come to mind at the moment, but it's not like it's not a serious magazine.  a lot of great writers wrote for the New Yorker magazine.  
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:38:34 PM EST
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I think I've found the answer: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~laurel/misc/CoopSpelling.html

Another more archaic option dispenses with the hyphen question altogether and employs the umlaut convention common in Germanic languages where a vowel following another vowel influences the pronunciation of the second vowel. Thus the words above become coöperation, coöperative, coöp, and coöper. However, this is convention is generally not used today.


"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:41:46 PM EST
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thanks
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:47:40 PM EST
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I would guess that this spelling probably went out of fasion in 1914 or 1940 (judging by This you might have had the same mentality at work).

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:07:25 PM EST
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Recommended reading: Wikipedia: Diaeresis.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:44:04 PM EST
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I think the pedantic spelling is coöperate.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:38:16 PM EST
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So is it the same system as in Dutch, where you put the dots ("trema") to mark vowels that are pronounced separate? (My favorite word at the moment: zeeëend)

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by tzt (tztmail at gmail dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:41:39 PM EST
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Yes. This would be the third comment of mine in this tread where I drop the name diæresis for that phenomenon.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:46:19 PM EST
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What, like, you mean when you put dots over letters and stuff?

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:50:26 PM EST
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No, like, only when you, like, do it to, like, separate a dypthong into, like, two wowels.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:53:45 PM EST
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That's, like, totally awesome, such as. But, like, I'm ain't not wearing a diphthong this time of year, it's way cold, like.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:59:02 PM EST
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In American typographical use, not British.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:44:51 PM EST
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Yea, I'd only ever write it as co-operate. The umlaut is only used by rock bands for some faux-gothic feel. Strange that poncy american mags and heavy metal bands are united in pretention, but hey, there ya go. :-))

In all cases, assume that in a dispute between american and english, the american use is wrong. ;-))))

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:14:57 PM EST
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I thought you guys were the ponces
by zoe on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:41:45 PM EST
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I've seen it both with and without, but then again most of the times I saw it with had been victorian/edwardian church music, so that may be a special case.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:45:56 PM EST
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If that is in the lyrics of songs, it would be used to emphasize the fact that a two-vowel combination is supposed to be sung as two syllables rather than one dypthong. You would tend to see dots used in poetry when the syllabization is non-standard in order for a line to scan.

Recently I was recalling a Spanish verse that goes Qué descansada vida la del que huye del mundanal ruïdo... where ruido s correctly pronounced as rUI-dO but the poet needs three syllables to preserve the meter and so he forces rU-Ï-dO which is signalled in writing by using a dieresis. This is from the 16th century, when the preservation of meter was foremost in poetry. Nowadays, with free verse, people don't bother with meter and so they don't have a need to do violence to words with dieresis.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:52:22 PM EST
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It is most strongly in my memory on the front cover of pieces of music with the titles in a gothic  script, whether the decoration continues over to the actual text inside is another matter, and I am dredging it up from in the region of thirty years ago so I can't be entirely sure.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 03:57:38 PM EST
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