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Let me first state that I have no idea where the tunnel is built or any why the light-rail has to go through a tunnel.

Bikes are always nice, but I see them more as complementary to light-rail. In my experience from a student town, biking is prefered (among the cash-strapped, generally fit) students for distances under 30 minutes. Over 30 minutes busses are considered, with different cut off times for different people. Assuming a biking speed of 20km/h that gives an effective biking distance of 10km. Less if you need to haul groceries.

Please note that these are just numbers extrapolated from my own experience and might not be relevant to the area in question.

a CO2 payback period for the tunnel on the order of 90 years

And how long will it be used?

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:23:46 PM EST
I quite agree on bikes ... I have a cycle commute of over an hour and a half each way, and my personal report from that is, that's an insane distance to commute by bike.

20kmh (12mph) is reasonable on level terrain without a headwind ... but in this part of Ohio, for an old man like me a biking speed of 20km/h would be very optimistic ... with three decent hills along the way and a number of false flats, I make 7.5 mph when I am laboring, 9mph when I am going well ... the other direction, which is an easier ride, I can sometimes make more than 10mph.

Converting to the new money, that would be 12kmh for a bad day, to 14kmh for a good day, getting to work, 16kmh for a reasonably good day getting home.

And when I was cycle commuting in Newcastle, Oz, the train was a better complement than the bus, for any area served by the train. This was with a folding bike that I could put in the luggage rack of both the newer buses and the trains.

I am reasonably comfortable with the bike argument, once I have worked out the rest of the argument that it will be fitting into.

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by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 at 04:38:40 PM EST
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Sounds like he's talking about Seattle (the reference to "Sound Transit" is a giveaway, as well as the fact that there is a major transportation tax act on the ballot there this fall).

A light-rail tunnel is being bored beneath Beacon Hill, just east of downtown Seattle. Seattle is a VERY hilly city and light rail needs some tunnels to be an effective method of transportation.

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by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Fri Aug 31st, 2007 at 10:59:36 AM EST
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Oh, sorry, yes he is. The "coalition for effective transport solutions" (sorry if I misremembered the name) is the cookie cutter citizens anti-rail lobby which developers and other stakeholders in the roadworks lobby put together whenever there is rail funding to fight off.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Aug 31st, 2007 at 12:25:01 PM EST
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