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I have a theory about crossing the road that is something along the lines that the more that pedestrians and cars are kept apart (freeways, walkways etc) the less ability pedestrians & car drivers develop to cope with the hazards of being in proximity.

I notice that in the US, even for somebody like me who has complete contempt for traffic, it was a little dangerous to cross roads because, besides being illegal and running the risk of being beaten up (like that guy in Atlanta) the fact is that car drivers don't know how to behave. I found the same in S Korea when I visited, except that koreans tend to slow down in panic rather than accelerate, so crossing roads is a less risky business.

By contrast, in london or paris traffic and pedestrians intermingle all the time, and so it's actually quite safe cos both sides know the rules and are acclimated to each other. I generally take the view that, all things considered, drivers prefer not to run people over cos it's inconvenient. So you can "play" with the traffic a bit when you cross.

I can't comment on spain cos I didn't have long enough to experiment properly, but they seem okay.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 09:50:45 AM EST
So your impression was that in Paris, drivers do mind you as pedestrian?

I was told by several recent visitors there that in London, drivers do care about pedestrians just like you say, and just like I observed in Western France, but Paris was different. (As further evidence, there are the car mirrors punched off by Jérôme, too ;-) ) Unfortunately, Budapest is another such case -- which doesn't IMO mean that your theory is wrong, but that there are other factors (in Budapest: car = status = fuck off the road pedestrians, the road belongs to me!)

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 10:17:33 AM EST
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As with london, Paris drivers are more aggressive but, by and large, they still know how to behave. they are more reluctant to slow down but will do so if you give them enough warning of your intention.

It is noticeable that car drivers in northern england are much more accomodating to pedestrians. In fact for a dedicated player like me it's a bit boring.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 10:59:26 AM EST
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That's interesting. For the sake of further comparing our senses of safe drivers, I am curious: have you been to

  1. Italy (Northern and Southern),
  2. Greece,
  3. the rest of the Balkans,
  4. the new EU members?


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 11:06:30 AM EST
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No sorry, not been to any.

I was in czech republic recently, but never met traffic enough to worry about it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 11:15:30 AM EST
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that said, I'll be in Bulgaria next week so I should have a chnace then. But I'm not sure that traffic will be intense where I'll be.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 11:16:36 AM EST
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By the way, do you sense a London vs. rest of Britain difference in this respect?

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 10:20:35 AM EST
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... works, by behaving enough like a car so that it triggers the "what do I do when a slow car is in front of me" nerve cells to fire.

And why cycling pretending to be a pedestrian instead ... a not uncommon approach in this small town ... is an invitation to be run over.

And, yes, once in a great while an idiot (normally in a massive oversized pick-up truck who ought to stop and kiss my tires for not consuming any gas on my trip) honks, but even they almost always drive more or less correctly for a slow moving vehicle in the right hand half of the lane.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Sep 15th, 2007 at 03:37:00 PM EST
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