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and the cops are now in trouble:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html

This is a good example of the technologies that enable the surveillance state working in the opposite direction. I could see a lawsuit without the combo of a video camera and youtube, but this damning, direct evidence instantly forced the hand of the police to put these guys on leave, and the odds of this guy winning a lawsuit based on excessive force are pretty good.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 07:35:36 PM EST
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What does it matter? why should you put your trust into a judicial system when about to face extreme violence? (let us be clear, tazer are a step below guns) Your reasonning doesn't make sense. You don't win lawsuits for excessive violence against a system whose sole response is arrest, exclusion and tazing. Excessive violence implies a response that is above standards, above average. Yet, as you can see on the video, that was their only response, and it's likely that in all debates this is their only response.
This can't posibly be Kerry's first public debate: was he surprises to see cops intervene? is this by chance that the microphone is placed a step away from two police officers?

so? lawsuits? no, emigration.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 07:58:21 PM EST
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Trust isn't involved here. The protester knew the risks to his person and came out ahead. This is a big black eye for the cops. A small piece of passive resistance that worked. Emigration? That is the coward's way out.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 08:43:27 PM EST
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You write that the kid knew what kind of risk he was facing. This is extremely disturbing: you are telling me that tazing is a reasonable expectation. That tazing is a normal response to exceeding your time limit in a debate.

About emigration, a word that's often used in this sort of situation and that generates the most useless debate (i know i know, i used that word, so i'm just clarifying), it simply involves choosing to which government you give your money, and what actions you thus condone. You may think that political involvement can outweight this... I don't. But that's another discussion,  more complicated than being coward or not being one.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 10:21:18 AM EST
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Tazing is a known risk, yes. Police are by their institutional nature always interested in increasing their coercive power over the populace, which means this sort of activity has to be fought back constantly.

As far as emigration and choosing your government, I'd like to see more open borders but we're not going to have them anytime soon. Until the world is overall more equitable and the human population is under control we won't see it.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 12:40:58 PM EST
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I think there is a distinction to be drawn between a desire to obtain more coercive power and the fact that the police already has that increasing power. There is also the problem of the police acting as a political moderator in a public debate. This isn't part of coercive power, but political power.

As a result there is no reason to see the police as a institutional agent aiming at reducing crime, checked by a judicial system, and in which lawsuits are a check, or in which lawsuit signal political resistance.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 01:03:34 PM EST
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