Nope. She protested of being ridiculed, playing the victimisation card, while she was only called to make expert arguments if she brought her expertise up. The Pentagon derbis matter was discussed, with photo evidence against conspiracy claims, which she then dismissed out of hand. (If that's not clear, this debate involved me, so I am talking as the accused.)
In my analysis, these were the two events that turned mmmm defensive.
It is true that there were a few months mmmm appeared to seriously try to fit in, and even I thought that some of the first rows could have been better managed, but your analysis is too simple a reading.
You forget that m had a gripe with Jérôme from before ET was created, from dKos and the EU referendum debate. That and other grudges (for example with poemless from the manon times) she seems to hold on to, though her memorry of events is seriously warped (see the episode when she 'remembered' Jerome a Paris using argument from the authority of an elite school alumni turned financier, which turned out to have been stuff written by Welshman). Call it what you want, but this is not something that can be catered to.
It doen't matter whether what you say is intended to be hurtful or not. It is only how it is perceived that is important.
Let me turn that on you. In one of the rows mmmm instigated, you said: "Girls, girls, simmer down." *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Was this arcane? No - I sometimes wonder if ET is autistic, ie unable to empathise. But I admit - I was unaware of the Dkos background. And the Welshman has always given me the heebie-jeebies. Quaker though he is...
I usually ask of clients: do you want to maintan or increase market share? Do do you believe that market share is your right? The latter are the most diffiicult clients to deal with.
Preaching to the converted is easy. But if you really want change, you need to persuade the unconverted. And that means understanding where the unconverted come from. A little Devil's Advocate can work wonders ;-) You can't be me, I'm taken
I was unaware of the Dkos background
It was pointed out in a thread I mentioned above, where m-- claimed to "recall", verbatim, extremely arrogant and quite uncharacteristic words from Jérôme on DKos. You might have missed it - though I had just explained it to metavision, who also seemed to have missed it. You did, however, take your cue from my comment, since you took it as understood that manon and mmmm were one person (which you may have privately concluded before - but which had never been openly stated).
So why did you ignore the DKos background in your rewrite of "how manon and mmmm were hurt"? It's simply self-serving to take two episodes - 9/11 and astrology - and conclude that once again the "leadership" has been feelingless and oppressive and hasn't got a clue. I am quite certain you have not read, thread by thread and comment by comment, m-'s progress through ET as front-pagers have. If you want a breakdown, it would be tedious, but it's possible. Including an explanation of how m- seizes on any opposition to make out she's the injured party (eg that her expertise as an engineer was scorned out of misogyny, which was not true - but helps create those perceptions you make so much of).
It should be clear by now that m- has a history that features a certain fixation on Jérôme (and may be extended to any "authority" figure associated with him). How can one say anything about this? Are we to go into psychology? How can we do that with an online multiple-avatar persona who offers a copious amounts of her life-story, but of whose real life we know nothing? Or should we take a narrow view and say: this user is sock-puppeting, this is bad faith towards the community, let's read the riot act?
We (the front-pagers) did neither. We didn't denounce mmmm and let her be in hopes things would work out better this time round. We are now accused of lacking empathy, humanity, understanding, an open mind, but that's plain nonsense. ET is a vibrant and warm community to be part of, and I think the constant carping, largely deaconed by you, Sven, is unjustified. Whatever her personal reasons, mmmm was steering a course towards a door-slam like manon's, and as far as I can make out, mishimishi's on DKos. Those who believed they were empathising with her might at least admit that things might be more complicated and shadowy than they thought.
I think many of us independently figured that. I figured it out before her first conflict as mmmm, at a time she seemed to try to fit back in and even avoided the prior hot-button issues for its sake.
I was hoping it would work out, even after the row in the course of which Sven didn't realise how "Girls, girls, simmer down" can be perceived as offensive, a hope I began to lose after that thread you linked. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
