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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:18:54 PM EST
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you have amnesia, I think.  
by zoe on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:24:08 PM EST
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I just have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure I've hurt lots of people, and I'm perfectly willing to believe I hurt you - my social skills are terrible and my cluelessness is legendary. And I won't even notice what I've done until I'm told.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:29:30 PM EST
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I don't know how to take that comment, Jerome, but it is not a conciliating one, comes across cold and as if you didn't care that mmmm leaves.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 09:11:57 PM EST
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Metavision...from my perspective, mmmm continuous holding of grudges and whining about being a "victim" are incredibly negative attention seeking. She takes up a huge amount of energy (and space) around here. And I don't know why you keep supporting her behavior...do you like it? I'm getting very impatient with this kind of stuff...can't we get back to what's important, rather than argue and throw tantrums <jeezus..>.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 03:00:25 AM EST
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I agree with you, but I still think that we need to look in the mirror when this stuff happens.   We know that when there is a conflict, there is more than one villain, so why do we get so hooked by it, instead of letting it pass?  

Another thing that feels unfair is that more senior members have acted out before and have not been confronted, so when a new member is, it doesn´t seem like equal treatment.  I don´t defend mmmm´s reactions, especially to those that made a good effort, but I am really very saddened that neither side was ´fair´ and everyone involved got unnecessarily hurt.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 09:50:30 AM EST
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She is anything but new to ET...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 12:35:11 PM EST
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She's #2024.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 01:39:00 PM EST
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And #889

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 02:35:24 PM EST
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And dKos user #9711.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 05:40:08 PM EST
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waBob, I really don't want to support her personal attacks, nor anybody else´s, but I am really disappointed at the one-sided, selective memory here.  I know, if I were in her shoes, I may react just as badly and still feel hurt.  Different humans, different times.

I have to assume that some of you have not read all the past comments, or you would let it be.  I´m not enjoying this, but I think it brings up issues for everyone that we need to consider, if we want to avoid it in the future.

It´s hard to say more without ´comparing people´ and I don´t want to go there because I may express something the wrong way and cause more misunderstandings.

I really like this cyberfamily! because we are good, not perfect.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 02:23:52 PM EST
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some of you have not read all the past comments,

All of them, and more, and further back, than you think.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 03:07:18 PM EST
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  1.  mmmm 1) was practicaly stalking Jerome (apparently carried some grudge from daily kos over here - then began attacking him for where he went to school or something unrelated to anything), 2) responded to anything less than sheer flattery (and sometimes even that) with unnecessarily mean personal attacks and 3) there is some evidence that she had previously posted under other names, and had been very trollish then.  You could not be expected to know that last bit, but the first 2 things were kinda hard to miss.  And all 3 things are irresponsible.

  2.  That said, I don't think it excuses how anyone treated her either.

  3.  And the astrology thing was taken way too far.

  4.  But back to you, you can be accepting of mmmm as a person or whatever and still not applaud her for her personal attacks.  Even if personal attacks are true, they are still disruptive and they violate blog etiquette (how is implying someone got their job through less than acceptable means not akin to say, outing?)  

  5.  And you may feel like this is a family; I am sure some do, but it is first and foremost a public forum for discussion of and commentary on policy, etc.  As such, there should be some standard of decorum here.  If that takes a back seat to "just wanting everyone to get along and accept each other so we agree to accept everyone's bad behavior" then our values and ability to critique have taken a hit.  Why don't we practice what we preach.  We preach kindness, but also accountability.  There's nothing wrong with holding someone accountable for making a personal attack.  Anyway...it's not a family in that we do not have to accept each other.  Trust me, as someone permanently on the receiving end of rejection here, no one is ever asked to show forgiveness here.  We have to be civil with each other.  Yes.  And fair.  Yes.  (see 2 & 3)   But mmmm was neither and did not even make a misunderstood effort to be so.  It's not the job of ET to create a family.  All we can do is try to act like adults.  Which means, in part, avoiding personal attacks and ratings abuse.


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 03:12:20 PM EST
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If I remember correctly when you first joined ET you brought over a grudge from DKos.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:41:41 PM EST
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I think it's  fallout from Ted and MMMM's argument from a couple of weeks ago where he was saying that you didn't apreciate some of her comments.  I nearly emailed you to see if he was acting as your asassin, but decided that was a touch paranoid and mad.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:25:00 PM EST
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Frankly, a lot more than a touch ;)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:49:29 PM EST
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Ah so I'm not getting better then ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:53:34 PM EST
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yes you are.  you take care of those cats, you hear?

ciao!

by zoe on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 04:42:27 PM EST
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you told me I wasn't welcome here and that I was making a fool of myself because I was posting something about astrology.  what kind of person are you?
by zoe on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:28:11 PM EST
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what kind of person are you?

A person that does not like to read about the astrological signs of other people.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:30:59 PM EST
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égoïste!
by zoe on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 04:43:07 PM EST
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You say that? with half an open thread just about you?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 04:53:15 PM EST
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I don't understand this drama at all (from anyone involved). However, you have to refer to us all as fascists before your true exit. Going out on a stick of dynamite is the only way to go.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 05:23:16 PM EST
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You make Hitler look like Mother Theresa!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 05:30:14 PM EST
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Lest anyone thought I was attacking MillMan, that was my poor attempt at a joke...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 05:32:53 PM EST
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Hitler liked to make jokes too...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 05:36:42 PM EST
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But clearly his wit was no match for the mighty Brits, who defeated him with the following (warning: hilarity at fatal dosage, proceed with caution!):

Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 05:45:08 PM EST
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I have a linguistic gas mask on that filters out the worst of the poison. (Meaning, to be honest, mein Deutsch ist kaput, not that it was ever very lively anyway ;))
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 05:52:34 PM EST
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I survived by only translating the first word.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 05:53:19 PM EST
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You sure you're okay? You should seek medical attention immediately; this is no joking matter!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 05:57:23 PM EST
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you only get hospitalised if you translate two words ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 05:58:56 PM EST
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"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 06:58:12 PM EST
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