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by zoe on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:24:08 PM EST
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I just have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure I've hurt lots of people, and I'm perfectly willing to believe I hurt you - my social skills are terrible and my cluelessness is legendary. And I won't even notice what I've done until I'm told.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:29:30 PM EST
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I don't know how to take that comment, Jerome, but it is not a conciliating one, comes across cold and as if you didn't care that mmmm leaves.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 09:11:57 PM EST
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Metavision...from my perspective, mmmm continuous holding of grudges and whining about being a "victim" are incredibly negative attention seeking. She takes up a huge amount of energy (and space) around here. And I don't know why you keep supporting her behavior...do you like it? I'm getting very impatient with this kind of stuff...can't we get back to what's important, rather than argue and throw tantrums <jeezus..>.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 03:00:25 AM EST
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I agree with you, but I still think that we need to look in the mirror when this stuff happens.   We know that when there is a conflict, there is more than one villain, so why do we get so hooked by it, instead of letting it pass?  

Another thing that feels unfair is that more senior members have acted out before and have not been confronted, so when a new member is, it doesn´t seem like equal treatment.  I don´t defend mmmm´s reactions, especially to those that made a good effort, but I am really very saddened that neither side was ´fair´ and everyone involved got unnecessarily hurt.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 09:50:30 AM EST
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She is anything but new to ET...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 12:35:11 PM EST
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She's #2024.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 01:39:00 PM EST
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And #889

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 02:35:24 PM EST
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And dKos user #9711.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 05:40:08 PM EST
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waBob, I really don't want to support her personal attacks, nor anybody else´s, but I am really disappointed at the one-sided, selective memory here.  I know, if I were in her shoes, I may react just as badly and still feel hurt.  Different humans, different times.

I have to assume that some of you have not read all the past comments, or you would let it be.  I´m not enjoying this, but I think it brings up issues for everyone that we need to consider, if we want to avoid it in the future.

It´s hard to say more without ´comparing people´ and I don´t want to go there because I may express something the wrong way and cause more misunderstandings.

I really like this cyberfamily! because we are good, not perfect.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 02:23:52 PM EST
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some of you have not read all the past comments,

All of them, and more, and further back, than you think.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 03:07:18 PM EST
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  1.  mmmm 1) was practicaly stalking Jerome (apparently carried some grudge from daily kos over here - then began attacking him for where he went to school or something unrelated to anything), 2) responded to anything less than sheer flattery (and sometimes even that) with unnecessarily mean personal attacks and 3) there is some evidence that she had previously posted under other names, and had been very trollish then.  You could not be expected to know that last bit, but the first 2 things were kinda hard to miss.  And all 3 things are irresponsible.

  2.  That said, I don't think it excuses how anyone treated her either.

  3.  And the astrology thing was taken way too far.

  4.  But back to you, you can be accepting of mmmm as a person or whatever and still not applaud her for her personal attacks.  Even if personal attacks are true, they are still disruptive and they violate blog etiquette (how is implying someone got their job through less than acceptable means not akin to say, outing?)  

  5.  And you may feel like this is a family; I am sure some do, but it is first and foremost a public forum for discussion of and commentary on policy, etc.  As such, there should be some standard of decorum here.  If that takes a back seat to "just wanting everyone to get along and accept each other so we agree to accept everyone's bad behavior" then our values and ability to critique have taken a hit.  Why don't we practice what we preach.  We preach kindness, but also accountability.  There's nothing wrong with holding someone accountable for making a personal attack.  Anyway...it's not a family in that we do not have to accept each other.  Trust me, as someone permanently on the receiving end of rejection here, no one is ever asked to show forgiveness here.  We have to be civil with each other.  Yes.  And fair.  Yes.  (see 2 & 3)   But mmmm was neither and did not even make a misunderstood effort to be so.  It's not the job of ET to create a family.  All we can do is try to act like adults.  Which means, in part, avoiding personal attacks and ratings abuse.


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 03:12:20 PM EST
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If I remember correctly when you first joined ET you brought over a grudge from DKos.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 18th, 2007 at 03:41:41 PM EST
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