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Thank you very much to all, very nice photos. I just opened this thread as I have nothing to do for a couple of hours (waiting for bus to Manali).
I don't know much about photography and it's pity as my photos often rejected in glossy magazines (We don't publish photos where people are looking straight into camera, lad!). And then it's really difficult to make from close distance a view of real emotions, even if there are some emotions as often you don't see any or they are momentary like lightning.
by FarEasterner on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 06:53:06 AM EST
As soon as you are noticed taking photos, you lose the candid nature of the shot and it becomes much harder to capture the essence of the person or the environment.  In the UK every person has the right to take photos of other people in public places, so we don't have to ask for permission but I still feel incredibly rude for photographing people without asking.  

A man once thought I had taken a photo of him (I was actually zooming in on something far behind him) and he got quite angry about it. Fortunately with digital you can prove if you weren't doing something you are accused of.

The best way to get candid shots is to use a lens that is capable of zooming in from a distance, so you are less likely to be noticed.  Then again where that isn't possible, if you are able to build up a rapport with the subject and can get them to pose for a few shots, you may be able to capture something.  I find this easier to do in countries where I am clearly a foreigner and I show the picture to them and usually they are happy to let me go ahead.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 07:52:00 AM EST
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I wish to have good zoom camera but as my friend professional photographer (from National Geographic) say it's not important, the question of paramount importance is to be as close as possible from people who are photographed and then luck - they have to behave naturally which is quite difficult if they are not on demonstration of protest against Bush policies.
by FarEasterner on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 09:20:14 AM EST
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Any advice from your friend on how to interact well with people that you are photographing? I can see the logic that being up close allows you to capture an intimacy that is otherwise hard to get, but a fair amount of luck and patience must be involved.  

I suppose if you have the time to spend waiting for a good opportunity or to take hundreds of photos to get one publishable shot then that is less of an issue. I often find I don't have the time to hang about as much as I would like.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 09:52:24 AM EST
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The time is also important, you're right.
Today in Old Manali I was passing an old man in traditional wear with Kullu cap and his beleaguered wife. The man was sitting just behind the road in strategical place where he could see any people coming from new town. Closing I noticed he was taking opium from brass lamp of Alauddin through hookah (long pipe). First time I went further to see quite modern Manu temple. On the way back I wanted to make his photo but he shook his head with disapproval. I smiled and went further - he probably does not want possible problems if his photo appear somewhere.
by FarEasterner on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 01:50:46 AM EST
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In the UK every person has the right to take photos of other people in public places, so we don't have to ask for permission but I still feel incredibly rude for photographing people without asking.

Our teacher says that that is what we need to get over. I guess that's why we have the hipshot assignment I mentioned earlier. I'm mostly over it now - I don't feel rude, as long as I am not trying to hide. I never use a telephoto lens or a zoom because those tend to make the shot "flat" and also because it somehow does not feel fair.. the persons I'm photographing don't then have the chance to notice me or to react to me.

Yesterday I went out photographing with a huge, clunky old Polaroid camera. Suddenly nobody cared if I was pointing the camera at them. It's weird - if I have my SLR with me, people notice, but if I have a small point&shoot, they don't care at all, and the same goes for a large Polaroid or even a Hasselblad.

You have a normal feeling for a moment, then it passes. --More--

by tzt (tztmail at gmail dot com) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 07:29:02 AM EST
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Our teacher says that that is what we need to get over.

Speaking as some photographers' involuntary photography object, I say that's something you shouldn't get over :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 07:38:38 AM EST
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Believe me, I understand your point. But then again, most of so-called social documentary photography or street photography would not exist if photographers were always supposed to ask permission first. (Most of my photographs would not exist either, but that wouldn't be such a loss.. :-p) The picture you get after asking permission is completely different from the one you get before there's contact.

You have a normal feeling for a moment, then it passes. --More--
by tzt (tztmail at gmail dot com) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 01:07:18 PM EST
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I just haven't worked out the best approach though. I suppose I should try to look focussed and confident and not as though I am expecting people to put up a fight.

I spent yesterday evening persuading a room full of people to let me take shots of them for my friend for his birthday.  It worked best when I joked with them, took a stupid shot and showed it to them saying surely they wanted to look better than that?!  I don't think that would work in the street though!

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 01:35:44 PM EST
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I think confidence and looking like you know what you're doing does the trick. And smiling a lot. I'm not good at that, though - I always feel nervous and probably look nervous.

You have a normal feeling for a moment, then it passes. --More--
by tzt (tztmail at gmail dot com) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 03:36:53 PM EST
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Perhaps on the next photo blog I'll post photos of people who asked me to take their photo as I was walking  with my Nikon hanging from my neck in the 18th of Paris. They're not great photos; just to follow up this discussion. I already posted one on an open thread of the two guys in the bar I was passing. I do like that one because they made for an "interesting" friendship.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Sep 24th, 2007 at 11:28:58 AM EST
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Sounds good! Do post them!

You have a normal feeling for a moment, then it passes. --More--
by tzt (tztmail at gmail dot com) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 10:08:24 AM EST
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