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One can only desperately hope he was speaking metaphorically.

However, I have to bring this part of the article to your attention:

For Jocelyn Rochat, this little international policy professional secret raises a vast question: our lack of religious education, our ignorance of Scriptures at a time when religious foundations are far more crucial than we'd like to believe in political and military decisions. Religion is not confined to the private sphere, Jocelyn Rochat concludes. A parameter to take into account "at the risk of no longer understanding the way the world works today."

Religion is important because it affects the real world through the superstitions of its adherents.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:16:15 AM EST
as someone that is/was aware of Gog and Magog I have to say, it is NOT important to know about it - only in a general cultural knowledge kind of way - as a detector as how far off the reality scale the person using that metaphor is.

Having said that: The importance of the story for me is the underlying, but often forgotten realisation by people discussing with "crazed" religious folk: They are here to stay, and no level of atheistic thinking, or arguing is going to change that.

by PeWi on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:23:44 AM EST
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I'd agree with the level of detail - though isn't that one of the more entertaining stories? - but the general principle is important: Jérôme can be a touch dismissive of the importance of knowing the context of these things.

Using it as a metaphor isn't necessarily an indication of removal from reality, just a different language. Any literal belief in it as a prediction is another matter.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:26:51 AM EST
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Well, these crazy bastards really believe this shit.  It took me and many like me years to come to this stupefying understanding.  Yopu have no idea what it is like to drive through the American south and see the level of fundamentalism that is nakedly on display.  It exists elsewhere too, but the south...

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 12:26:16 PM EST
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I remember people feeling similar fear at the end of Ronnies reign, but on no way as serious a level.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 12:32:58 PM EST
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One can only desperately hope he was speaking metaphorically.  

Considering he was speaking to President Chirac, and not to an American Bible-belt audience, make the hope unlikely.  

More likely this is a sample of his actual thinking.  

Non-American readers need to be aware--not merely that this is a religious delusion--but what the delusion is:  That at the End of Time the world will be consumed by a great war between Good and Evil, and essentially destroyed.  The few survivors (obviously all Christians--in fact Baptists) who have not been already raptured up (that's a sub-delusion not relevant here) will live for a thousand years in the kingdom of Jesus, and then all those Christians who have died but are saved will be resurrected to live forever.  

The key point you should be aware of is that the believers in this delusion believe that God needs (their) help in bringing this World-destroying war about.  

The implications for US strategic (nuclear) policy should be obvious.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Fri Sep 21st, 2007 at 03:57:06 AM EST
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