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The first occurrence of "Magog" in the Hebrew Bible is in the Table of Nations in Genesis 10, where Magog is the eponymous ancestor of a people or nation (without any accompanying apocalyptic symbolism, or mention of Gog, although "Magog" may mean "the land of Gog"):

Gog and Magog are mentioned in the New Testament Book of Revelation, which draws on the depiction of them in the older prophetic works. They appear in verses 20:7-8:

    7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    8. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (KJV)

Here, Gog and Magog are identified as the nations in the four corners of the earth, and their attack is represented as an eschatological crisis after the Millennium, to be vanquished by divine intervention. The language of Gog and Magog's destruction is very similar to that of their mention in Ezekiel.


Bush is probably referring to the first Gog, who might well be him (or Cheney). Back to the Hebrew Bible:
   10. Thus says the Lord "On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind and you will make an evil plan:"[6]
    11. You will say, "I will go against a land of unwalled villages...(FRZ)(FRZ: mostly refers to Iraq as Frz (Unwalled Villages) in the Book of Esther)[7]
    12. To take plunder and booty..."[8]
    13. Sheba and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, will say to you, "have you come to take a spoil?"[9]
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They will be joined by Persians from the East, Phut from the West, Kushites from the South, and others. We are told that Gog dwelt north of Israel, but there is little else to identify Gog in the passage. Gog and his allies are to attack "a land of unwalled villages" to collect booty, but before attacking Israel itself will be reduced to a "sixth" of their size (Ezekiel 39:2). Their reduced army will be destroyed in Israel, their dead buried in the Valley of Hamon-Gog for all to see and comment on (39:15-17).

Bush arguably comes from the north of Israel, at least in terms of latitude, and has come to take spoils from Iraq.

The U.S. army arguably hasn't yet been reduced to 1/6th of its size, been joined by the Iranians, Libyans and Northern Sudanese, or made moves against Israel. But who knows what might yet happen!

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:43:11 AM EST
At least we will still be able to comment! Halleluja!

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 12:01:50 PM EST
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Hey - maybe Bush is the Antichrist.

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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 01:16:46 PM EST
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We had this theory that Bush was indeed the antichrist, that the 7-year tribulation coincides with the 7 years between 9-11 and the 2008 Presidential election, and that the Rapture was a metaphor for the abduction of several thousand American Muslims in late 2001 by the Bush Administration, or the global Bush gulag (remember, Islam is an Abrahamic religion which did not exist when the Apocalypse was revealed, so muslims are believers in the same God of the Book of Revelations).

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 01:23:06 PM EST
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Probably what depresses more than anything about where we are today is that it's 2007 and biblical narratives are still hanging around like a bad smell.

I doubt Bush is the antichrist any more than he's the christ.

I think it's more likely he's someone with serious psychological and emotional problems - which unfortunately are shared by a substantial segment of the US population.

Wilhelm Reich was a bit of a crazy too in some ways, but he tried to popularise the idea of Emotional Plague. And that's exactly where we are today, I think - a population with substantial cognitive and emotional difficulties, and no clear solutions.

It's the psychological equivalent of living in the Middle Ages, before basic sanitation was invented, and people died a lot for stupid reasons, pointlessly, and blamed it all on god.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 01:31:50 PM EST
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Science-y types often say "we evolved for life on the Savanna" (and as such we weren't meant to stare at computer screens all day, for example). On the cultural plane, religion also evolved and made sense for a different time and place. It's utterly outmoded today, but replacing that mental space with myths (or fewer myths, for those that can handle it) that work for us in the modern world is an exercise that will take many, many generations to complete as the inertia is so strong.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 07:11:09 PM EST
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While we're beyond the pale i'll mention that the third antichrist in Nostradamus is named "Mabus"  which is not hard to twist into Bush, W
by paving on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 02:18:35 PM EST
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maybee we have the wrong antichrist, and Mabus should be Ma Bush, his mother.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Sep 21st, 2007 at 10:20:36 AM EST
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Sure, it just happens to be the Hook 'em Horns sign for the University of Texas Longhorns. That's what I keep telling myself.

by Magnifico on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 05:54:37 PM EST
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Yeah, he sure ain't Metal...


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by Number 6 on Fri Sep 21st, 2007 at 10:04:16 AM EST
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From The Coming War of Gog and Magog, an Islamic Invasion?:

ANCIENT NAME MODERN NATION EXPLANATION
Rosh Russia or Chief Ancient Sarmatians known as Rashu, Rasapu, Ros, and Rus.

OR

Translated as the adjective Chief.
Magog Central Asia Ancient Scythians - Islamic southern republics of the former Soviet Union with a population of 60 million Muslims.  This territory could include modern Afghanistan.
Meshech Turkey Ancient Muschki and Musku in Cilicia and Cappadocia.
Tubal Turkey (also southern Russia and Iran) Ancient Tubalu in Cappadocia.
Iran Name changed from Persia to Iran in 1935.
Ethiopia (Cush) Sudan Ancient Cush, south of Egypt.
Put Libya Ancient Put, west of Egypt.
Gomer Turkey Ancient Cimmerians - from the seventh century to first century B.C. in central/western Anatolia.
Beth-togarmah Turkey Til-garimmu - between ancient Carchemish and Haran (southern Turkey).
Many peoples with you Other Islamic nations Possibly Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt


Statistical thinking will one day be as necessary for efficient citizenship as the ability to read or write.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 05:06:44 PM EST
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