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I love how the corporate description of a Mercenary Army is now a Private Security Company. What scares me about the growth of these is that they are not controlled by a government once they are hired. Also, what is stopping them from trying to take over a government? Whatever happened to that expression: "old soldiers never die . . . they just fade away."?
by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 06:23:25 AM EST
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And connecting to rg's other diary on "is Google evil?", I am less concerned about the government having a massive database of private data than about a private corporation having the massive database because the government is ultimately subject to public accountability and democratic control, and the corporation is subject to maximizing shareholder value.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 06:49:27 AM EST
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"the government is ultimately subject to public accountability and democratic control, and the corporation is subject to maximizing shareholder value."

Extremely well put.

by BJ Lange (langebj@gmail.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 06:56:58 AM EST
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because the government is ultimately subject to public accountability and democratic control

Heh.  In the USSR, all data was held by the govt. and I'm sure they had elections.

I think maybe the issues are:

  1. Are you allowed access to the data being held on you?

  2. Are you allowed (by law) to correct errors or have them corrected?

  3. Do you have the right of refusal over requests to view your information?

4)...etc....

My building society holds key personal data about me, but I am allowed access to it, I can correct errors, I can refuse access (okay, I know there are back doors, but at least the doors are officially bolted tight.)

Ditto my patient info held by the NHS.

I think I should add that my building society doesn't have shareholders.

http://www.nationwide.co.uk/bettersociety/intro/mutuality_matters.htm

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 07:36:26 AM EST
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I admit that mutualistic societies (such as building societies) are more accountable than corporation.

And before you get too carried away with your USSR example, ultimately the totalitarian regime vanished from the page of time and the KGB archives came under public accountability and democratic control. Same thing with the Stasi files in East Germany.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 07:42:01 AM EST
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Well, I think the USSR is still there in the pages of time, you just have to turn back a couple of chapters.

Your "ultimately" doesn't do it for me.  It is attention to how the data is held/used now that is the issue--or, but careful as this becomes hypothetical quickly--how that data might be used in the future (and then a division between near/far.)

I think we are at greater risk of badly collected data, stored ineffectively, and used as a club by over-zealous controllers.  How about that guy who had the same name as the leader of Hezbollah, so the israeli soldiers turned up...at a hospital to arrest him?  Or the guy in South Africa that the FBI wanted to extradite, and he could prove that they had him all mixed up with someone else, but...once they had their data--that was it.

In case I didn't mention it before, I think there is always a higher risk to the individual when the holders of my data also operate the monopoly of force in my neighbourhood.  Or, of course, are in cahoots with those who have the monopoly of force (building societies are regulated by laws that even the police and govt. have to abide by.  But not MI6, apparently.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 07:55:24 AM EST
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