Emmanuel Todd: 'Iran is not dangerous' (but Sarkozy is) | 66 comments (66 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Emmanuel Todd: 'Iran is not dangerous' (but Sa (4.00 / 3)

The period where women had proper rights in many places in Afghanistan was in the 1980's. One of the plus sides of communism, that. There were of course negatives, but when Najibullah went, so too did the rights.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 02:10:31 PM EST
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Re: Emmanuel Todd: 'Iran is not dangerous' (but Sa (4.00 / 2)

Relative to Pakistan, there was much more freedom already under the Shah.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 02:12:43 PM EST
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Re: Emmanuel Todd: 'Iran is not dangerous' (but Sa (none / 1)

Depends on who you were. The shah gave freedoms to those who could afford them, provided in return they supported his regime.

If you weren't one of those, and you had the affrontery to complain, you weren't likely to be very free. Khomeiny did not happen in a vacuum, though it is true the left in Iran didnt know what they were getting into with him and were quickly dispatched once he came to power.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 02:23:53 PM EST
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Methinks above you confused the Shahs of Iran and Afghanistan.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 02:52:48 PM EST
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Re: Emmanuel Todd: 'Iran is not dangerous' (but Sa (4.00 / 3)

Ah, I'm not used to hearing him refered to as shah - he's always been refered to as King by people I knew (one of whom was a nephew of his who owns a restaurant here in the Twin Cities who I went to the local international school with...)

True shah equals king in farsi. In Pashto the word is kahn; most of my friends are the latter. Actually I think the last king was pashtun too, even Peshawar-based, as his nephew certainly is here in St Paul.

Sorry for the confusion on my part.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 03:05:12 PM EST
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Non-sequitur alert! (none / 0)

How did this thread move from Afghanistan to Iran?

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 02:30:27 PM EST
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Via the shah/kahn of Afghanistan. nt (none / 1)

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Sep 22nd, 2007 at 09:04:56 PM EST
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Re: Via the shah/kahn of Afghanistan. nt (none / 1)

I also had not seen the King of Afghanistan referred to as Shah before, so I thought when dodo said "the Shah" he meant Iran.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 01:43:08 AM EST
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Re: Via the shah/kahn of Afghanistan. nt (none / 1)

Well, it's part of his commonly quoted name, Mohammed Zahir Shah, so I am surprised about you and redstar never having heard such a reference to him. Regarding his language background,

Mohammed Zahir's father was born in Dehradun, India descending from a Peshawar based Pashtun family, in other words Pakistani based...
Zahir Shah was sent to be educated in France at the Pasteur Institute and the University of Montpellier.[1] He spoke fluent Persian, and some French, English and Italian.[2]
His preference of the Persian language gave him credibility with the single most important group of the country: the Persian-speaking elite of Kabul.[3]

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 04:03:08 AM EST
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Re: Via the shah/kahn of Afghanistan. nt (none / 1)

Well, the Shah is not the same thing as Mohammed Zahir Shah. To me "the Shah" is Reza Pahlavi.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 04:48:48 AM EST
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Just like King Juan Carlos the I is ... (4.00 / 3)

... Juan Carlos Alfonso Víctor María de Borbón y Borbón-Dos Sicilias, while "The King" is Elvis.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 10:42:19 AM EST
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Re: Just like King Juan Carlos the I is ... (none / 1)

Precisely.

Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK? — The War Nerd

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2007 at 03:45:42 PM EST
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Emmanuel Todd: 'Iran is not dangerous' (but Sarkozy is) | 66 comments (66 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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