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Kuai - Break-through (Resoluteness)

The Judgement
Break-through. One must resolutely make the matter known
At the court of the king.
It must be announced truthfully. Danger.
It is necessary to notify one's own city.
It does not further to resort to arms.
It furthers one to undertake something.

The Image
The lake has risen up to heaven:
The image of Break-through.
Thus the superior man
Dispenses riches downward
And refrains from resting on his virtue.

With the image of the changing 5th line of:

Nine in the fifth place means:
In dealing with weeds,
Firm resolution is necessary.
Walking in the middle
Remains free of blame.

Containing the trend to:

Ta Chuang - The Power of the Great

The Judgement
The Power of the Great. Perseverance furthers.

The Image
Thunder in heaven above:
The image of the Power of the Great.
Thus the superior man does not tread upon paths
That do not accord with established order.

The Reading
Its evil if used for evil ends.
The greater danger is being diverted from the path you should be following into a deep study of the Klingon language.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Sep 24th, 2007 at 11:54:43 PM EST
Of course!

So...google is evil:  HIja' or ghobe'?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 04:10:54 AM EST
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Hang, on, I thought we officially use the Tarot around here?


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by Number 6 on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 08:39:47 AM EST
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Tarot is the funky yokel cousin to the austere minimalism of the I-Ching.

Which means (if I've understood correctly) that:

The tarot can take the mick, while the I-Ching rises above such childish behaviour

The Tao Te Ching is the I-Ching for those who have smoked

And Astrology is the mad person the other three used to hang around with but maybe pretend not to know so much these days.

Cough cough!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 10:10:27 AM EST
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... "from" around here.

Besides, an I Ching casting only needs the four pennies, one bright and three tarnished, or visa versa, while from the little I understand, a Tarot reading needs a Tarot deck.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 at 08:14:07 PM EST
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You'll need a copy of the I-Ching, too, so I think that makes a tarot deck more easily portable ;)

(Though I like both.)

(btw, I thought it was three pennies with yin/yang faces.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 03:27:29 AM EST
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... than casting yarrow stalks does ... substantially more. The method with One bright penny and three tarnished one is to throw the four. If the bright penny is heads, that is a solid line (9), while tails is a dashed line (6). If the other three pennies are the same (all four heads, all four tails), then its a changing line.

The four penny method that I read was three heads gives a changing line, but that just makes no sense ... in the cycle of change, when Yin or Yang reaches its greatest extent, the opposite appears at its heart and then grows from the fringe to become dominant. So obviously its gotta be all four pennies the same.

And you can find copies of several I Ching translations online, so you don't actually have to own a copy.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 08:21:34 PM EST
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A pack of tarot cards in your pocket--you're mobile.  Ditto a copy of the I Ching and some coins.  Both are portable (and I suppose an electronic version of each available via GPS or mobile phone...is more ecologically friendly?  I dunno...heh!  My luddite roots!)

Here's the method I learned (from the back pages of my Wilhelm/Baynes translation *):

Take three coins.  Throw them up in the air.

When they land:

If they are all the same--that's a moving line
If two are the same and one is different (the only other alternative)--the line is determined by the single coin, which is called the "little" yin or yang.

So yeah, you throw four stones and use the shiny coin to denote yin or yang, then you'll get less moving lines.

Anyways, here's what my version says:

2. THE COIN ORACLE

In addition to the method of the yarrow-stalk oracle, there is in use a shorter method employing coins: for this as a rule old Chinese bronze coins, with a hole in the middle and an inscription on one side are used.  Three coins are taken up and thrown down together, and each throw gives a line.

Reading the THE YARROW STALK ORACLE has me thinking of fields, yarrow stalks, country folks, old time serious divination techniques.

But yeah, four coins means less moving lines, more concentration on the character and changes being more...of note...because they happen less often.

I think that with the three coin, as you usually get at least one moving line there's more a sense of "how many moving lines, and which ones?  (The significance of which line moves), so maybe three coins is potentially more superficial, but also brings a dynamism into the system, while four coins has more depth (if one is willing to move into and listen to the symbolic world of the book) but as change is rarer, it is also seen...as more significant...

(As I understand it, no moving lines means: this character is....the response to the question.  Moving line(s) mean(s): this is the response up to now, but now we have movement so the second character has a sort of "fortune teller" role....

Bruce, thanks for the reading.  Now I will throw my coins.  But what be the question?

How to deal with conflict

(Throwing three english pound coins and a euro. I decide that 1 Euro is the yin and "Espana" (plus face of male person) = yang.  For the pound coins, the queen's portrait will be yang, and the thistle, leak, and lions--a coin from England, one from Scotland, and one from Wales!  Who'd a thunk it?--will be yin.)

Here goes...

45. Ts'ui / Gathering Together [Massing]

above TUI -- THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below K'UN -- THE RECEPTIVE, EARTH

THE JUDGEMENT

GATHERING TOGETHER.  Success.
The king approaches his temple.
It furthers one to see the great man.
This brings success.  Perseverance furthers.
To bring great offerings creates good fortune.
It furthers one to undertake something.

The gathering together of people in large communities is either a natural occurence, as in the case of the family, or an artificial one, as in the case of the state.  The family gathers about the father as its head.  The perpetuation of this gathering in groups is achieved through the sacrifice to the ancestors, at which the whole clan is gathered together.  Through the collective piety of the living members of the family, the ancestors become so integrated in the spiritual life of the family that it cannot be dispersed or dissolved.

Where men are to be gathered together, religious forces are needed.  But there must also be a human leader to serve as the centre of the group.  In order to be able to bring others together, this leader must first of all be collected within himself.  Only collective moral force can unite the world.  Such great times of unification will leave great achievements behind them.  This is the significance of the great offerings that are made.  In the secular sphere likewise there is need of great deeds in the time of GATHERING TOGETHER.

THE IMAGE

Over the earth, the lake:
The image of GATHERING TOGETHER.
Thus the superior man renews his weapons
In order to meet the unforeseen.

If the water in the lake gathers until it rises above the earth, there is danger of break-through.  Precautions must be taken to prevent this.  Similarly where men gather together in great numbers, strife is likely to arise; where possessions are collected, robbery is likely to occur.  Thus in the time of GATHERING TOGETHER we must arm promptly to ward off the unexpected.  Human woes usually come as a result of unexpected events against which we are not forearmed.  If we are prepared, they can be prevented.

And no moving lines.

...

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 09:21:39 PM EST
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(Heh...I asked the same question then cut the tarot cards.):



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 09:32:27 PM EST
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... but I'd have to have not only the Tarot deck but also a book, so for me, even in the ownership society sense, the I Ching would still be more portable.

Here's the method I learned (from the back pages of my Wilhelm/Baynes translation *):

The critique of the three penny method is that it gives far more likelihood of moving lines than the yarrow stalk method, with the yarrow stalk method is taken to be the primary method, for which the throwing of copper coins is a substitute.

... mind you, in countries without copper coins ... I dunno, for me that would cast doubt on the validity of the reading ...

8-)#

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Sep 29th, 2007 at 03:24:46 PM EST
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Best moustache yet!

Z:)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Sun Sep 30th, 2007 at 05:20:53 AM EST
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You can't see my moustache, my silly grin obscures it. Let me see if I can keep a straight face long enough for the text picture.

8-{|#

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Sep 30th, 2007 at 02:32:21 PM EST
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