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I'm not even halfway done... This is a lot of work.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 02:54:21 PM EST
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Huge amount..it took me more than two hours to do the first draft....

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 02:59:10 PM EST
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OK, forget what I said above.

Are suggestions useful? Here or by email?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 03:05:09 PM EST
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Here.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 03:09:58 PM EST
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It would be possible to be organized in a federation.

It could be organized as a federation.

The Iraqians, meanwhile, will try to explain that they are fulfilling his obligations.

Meanwhile the Iraqis will try to explain they are fulfilling their obligations.

Neither it is true nor it will be sufficient,

That's not true and it won't be enough,

PA. I do not request you an infinite patience. Simply that you do as much as you can so that everything fits.

PA. I'm not asking you to have infinite patience. Simply that you do all you can to make things fall properly into place.

the Agreement of Free Commerce with Chile is pending of confirmation in the Senate and that a negative attitude in this subject could put it in jeopardy.

the Free Trade Agreement with Chile is pending confirmation in the Senate, and a negative attitude about this matter could endanger it.

I do not care being the bad cop and let  Blair be the good one.

It doesn't bother me if I'm the bad cop and Blair is the good one.

to state that Sadam Hussein has lost its opportunity

to say Saddam Hussein has wasted his last chance

que pudieran servir para que Sadam Hussein los utilizara como etapas y consiguientemente incumplirlas
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that could be turned to the purpose of giving Saddam Hussein steps to take that he will of course fail to do

That would allow for example that Mexico moved.

That would allow for a change in Mexico's position.

Sadam Husein has not cooperated, has not been disarmed, we would have to make a summary of its breaches

Saddam Hussein has not cooperated, has not disarmed, we would have to list his breaches

PB. The resolution will be such that it will help you. I really do not care about the content.

The resolution will be built with the intention of helping you. I'm really not concerned about its content.

PA. We will make you get our texts.
PB. We do not have any text.

PA. We'll send you some drafts.
PB. We don't have a draft at all.

PB. It fits me. Chirac knows the reality perfectly. Their intelligence services have explained it. The Arabs are transmitting  Chirac a very clear message: Sadam Hussein must go away.

PB. Suits me. Chirac knows what's going on. Their intelligence services have explained it to him. The Arabs are sending Chirac a very clear message: Saddam Hussein must go.

Condoleezza Rice: In fact there will be no inform on the 28th of February

inform => information

PA. Is true that there is a chance that Sadam Hussein moves away?

PA. Is it true there's a chance Saddam Hussein will go into exile?

He thinks that France and Germany have stopped the process of their responsibilities. He also beliefs that the demonstrations of last week [Saturday 15 of February] protects him.

He thinks France and Germany have stopped the trial of everything he's responsible for. He also believes that last week's demonstrations (Saturday February 15) protect him.

PA. In fact the biggest success would be to gain the game without shooting a single shot and entering Bagdad.

In fact the greatest success would be to win the game without firing a single shot, and get into Bagdad.

the mothers and the widows of the deads.

the mothers and widows of the dead.

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(I hope they're in the right order...)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 03:38:37 PM EST
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I made some similar changes to some of the first things you suggest.

I'm off for about 30 minutes now. Would you mind going in (as a FPer you can) and making further edits?

I've gone all the way down to "This is like Chinese Water Torture".

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 03:46:44 PM EST
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OK. Will sign off here when I've finished so you know I haven't got it open.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 04:17:49 PM EST
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I'm out of there. I went through to the end. You and kc may want to go back over what I did, or change other things.

Yes, some surprisingly unsurprising things in there.

Note that Bush says History will judge them. Apparently he wasn't playing the Apocalyptic Bogeyman with Aznar!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 05:03:43 PM EST
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Thanks, afew.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 05:06:06 PM EST
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Apparently he wasn't playing the Apocalyptic Bogeyman with Aznar!

It's almost like he's deliberately trying to splinter Europe, or went out to deliberately antagonise the French so that their oil companies lost out in the carve-up of the oil wealth. Didn't the French have a lot of the exploration and production contracts? and if they joined in it would be hard to transfer them over to US companies.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 05:17:34 PM EST
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Be careful afew.. most of them are excellent points.. but some of them are not at all clear..

Three of them I notice as nopt good changes

It isnot at all clear that they say Mexico would change mind.. "move" is neither clear cut in spanish.. as move is not clear in english.. so I am not sure I would change it..Mexico move has the proper indefinition of the original

The same goes with the "I do nto care" o...." it does not bother"..is too formal... I would say the spanish attitude would be more like " I do not care".

The "dead" has already been translated as deceised....as it was probably refered in a formal way..

But the most importan one I do not agree is the one about "y conseguientemente incumplirlas".. your translation tries to give a meaning to something that it is not there.... He may have wanted to mean this.. but that's is not what is written .. in spanish there is a way to say your sentence...  and that is not the case. So I guess either it was a bad transcription.. or really you always make mistakes when you speak...

Regardign the rest.. brilliant changes..

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 03:55:53 PM EST
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Just suggestions, kc!!

I can see the y conseguientemente incumplirlas is much better explained by Migeru now, and my attempt at understanding it was wrong.

Migeru has put "swing" for Mexico, which was my meaning (in the light of the explanation in brackets).

The point about the "dead" is that it doesn't take an s for the plural in English (neither does "the deceased" - but in this context the proper term is "the dead".)

"It doesn't bother me..." is not formal.

But as you wish, jefe!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 04:13:42 PM EST
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Oh sure!! I love you.. you know it.. je je

yeah yeah.. I knew it was suggestion.. I was saying in a hurry that you should take extra vigilance on those...you know I was going to the point.. but of course.. your comments are brilliant.. very good ones.. so it may have seem a serious post... it was not..

I am still doubtful about it does nto bother or it does not care...:)

You make me doubt now about the dead or the deceised... I do not know if in english the dead can have a very serious super serious meaning..  I do nto know enough english for that.. but I do know deceased is super serious...

I see Migeru swing... mmmhhh.... swing is much more clear cut in english than "mover" is in spanish. But probably "move" in english is also less clear than "mover" in spanish.. So it is a difficult option...

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 04:50:03 PM EST
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"The dead" is the correct term in warfare, and is super serious. "The deceased" is more civilian -- undertaker language! ;)

I put "it doesn't matter to me" for no me importa.
I think that's as close as you can get...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 05:00:37 PM EST
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Absolutely so!!!

Thanks a lot!!!

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 04:44:34 AM EST
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to say Saddam Hussein has wasted his last chance

to say Saddam Hussein has missed his last chance

inform => information

ES informe = EN report

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 04:16:32 PM EST
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