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The Downing Street Papers did not involve any US officials but only UK officials' representations of their interactions with US officials. This is stronger because it is an actual conversation between Bush, Condi and Aznar. We don't have the equivalent for UK/US contacts, only UK officials' account of same.

We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 06:03:49 PM EST
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That's just why i said this was stronger.  More importantly, this gives evidence to the progressive meme trying to break through the lies.  Here, it's plain as day.  If i was murdoch, (and i am), tomorrow's papers would all say:  "BUSH NAKED," page three.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 at 06:21:03 PM EST
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Call me cynical - no, really - but is anyone interested any more?

Isn't it obvious the war was planned, prosecuted on the basis of lies, managed disastrously, and has become a total failure in every possible way (except human sacrifice and corporate profit)?

The only possible place where this could get leverage would be in the US.

Considering that the Downing Street memo disappeared with barely a ripple, I'm not seeing how this is going to change anyone's mind about anything - except possibly as a document of historical interest.

Bush lies. He causes people to die. He hands over government money to corporate cronies. He believes mad things.

That's who he is and what he does, and he's absolutely consistent about it.

Yet more evidence to prove this fact is interesting, but there's already a steaming great mountain of it.

The people who should care, clearly don't. And they already know the facts. So I don't think they're likely to have a road-to-Damascus experience because of something like this.

What could be interesting is to collect all of the facts together into a book and publish it in the US. It probably still wouldn't make any difference, but it would be useful and interesting to have as much of the story as is on the record collected in one place, joining the dots together.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 07:46:21 AM EST
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My own reaction to the news in yesterday's Salon (brought over by Fran from TPM) was indeed "ho hum". But in the evening kcurie said this was becoming big in the US blogosphere and we should provide a bilingual version, so we did. Which is consistent with your
The only possible place where this could get leverage would be in the US.


We have met the enemy, and it is us — Pogo
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 07:50:49 AM EST
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Well, I'm not saying it's a bad idea in any way - just that I'll be pleasantly surprised if it has any lasting effect on the narrative over there.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 10:04:34 AM EST
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Absolutely.. the only place when this could have an impact is in the US...more than some gold sentences.. like "having the africans.." or the specific threats.... to Chile...

And the good cop, bad cop...
ANd the exile details.. and the way it refers to Chirac...

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 10:05:14 AM EST
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I agree with Kcurie when he says that it's the words that  are important. It's  thing to know the ideas in place... but it's another to realize that in one's mouth they also reveal megalomaniac tendencies. It seems to me that bush here is talking to himself, repeating something he's said thousand of times. Does Rice contribute to his rant? no, and most probably because she's heard it all...
So it's because it's said, because Aznar doesn't even seem to know why he's going there, because it feels like even if one of us had been in the room she would have been so flabbergasted that she would sat there silently trying to make sense of the basis of such a conversation... and there is none.

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by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Thu Sep 27th, 2007 at 10:07:18 AM EST
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